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Ah, but there is the rub. NO LEADER has blown himself up, they cynically use the followers for their quest for money and power. If it was true religious belief, you would see the leaders leading the way, not sending out others to their "glorious" deaths.

Leaders of any group don't usually get themselves killed. It is hard to lead from the grave.

As far as money and power go, Osama bin Laden had it all before he went on Jihad. Osama has paid a high price by earthly standards for doing Allah's work.

The 19 Muslims who died on 9-11 had money, health, and an education. They gave their lives up voluntarily for Allah.

If you think you can dismiss this Muslim problem by saying it is not a religion, I believe you are mistaken.

Islam has to be confronted physically.

It is a religion whose God requires the adherents to get nonbelievers to submit. If that isn't going to work then kill the infidels. If you need to keep some infidels alive to benefit Islam, then get them to pay protection money and live as second class citizens under Islamic law.

It's not a complex religion just requires some blood on your hands to prove your worth to God. That is something infidels seem to have trouble understanding ,although it is spelled out in the Koran and preached in the mosques. And carried out in action.

Most people just don't want to realize they are going to have to take a fighting stand to stop it. Infidels will make all kinds of excuses for the actions of the Islamists to avoid taking action against them. - Tom

Leaders who lead from the back lines do not lead as well as leaders who lead. When the quest is to Paradise as a religious obligation, the fact that no "leaders" strap on the bombs, or that their direct family members do not "partake" in the path to "glory" is very telling.

If the religious leaders actually believed their words when they say that "they wish Allah would call them to the path of Martyrdom", some of them would be following that path. But the way that Arafat moved his family to France, instead of strapping explosives on his own kids like he demanded that his followers sacrifice their kids to "the cause" and to the glory of "Paradise" clearly show that the leaders of Islam, do not really believe in Islam.

They keep their subjects in poverty, so that they can live in luxury, like all power hungry men throughout history. Osama did not "have it all", he was a spoiled rich kid, just one more in a 20+ sibling set of spoiled kids with no attention from dad, or any self worth. So he went on the path that would give him power and glory, like all the mad men of history before him. His cry is not paradise, but Look at ME! He is nothing but a psycopathic looser, like many before him.

Islam is a creed, not a religion, as a religion is a path to God, not a path to self glory. Islam's creed is not to a relationship with God, God does not even live in Paradise in Islam, but in Hell, stoking the fires with the bodies of the infidel. Islam is a path to power and glory and fleshly lusts, and as such shows no difference than any of the creeds of destruction that plague mankind's history.

The Muslims that died on 911 had an education all right, a Muslim one. They studied the western culture not to learn anything to help their countries, but to learn how to destroy it. Like the scripture, John 1:5 "And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not *comprehend it." These Muslim terrorists, who chose the path of murder long before they were sent out to the West to college, sat in on classes not to see the light, but to foment their darkness. They did not care about truth, justice, or anything else but how to kill their classmates and professors. You can send a Muslim to the river, but you cannot teach him to drink if all he cares about is how to poison the river.

That is not education, that is subversion. They came to kill, and kill they did. They went to classes on how to pilot a plane, not caring to learn how to land. While they went to class, they were never educated.

You and I agree however that this is a war, I just think to try and call this a religion, and give it justification because of that is a mistake. This is a death cult, founded on the creed of world destruction, and its members cannot be reformed like someone following a failed political creed, they must be destroyed, as a man who would voluntarily choose the path of murder is simply a murderer, not like a man who believes socialism is the answer to democracy.

Nobody is born a murdering, torturing, lying death cultist, they have to choose to be that way. They are simply evil men, who have found shallow reasons to justify their lusts to kill. In my book, someone who at this point chooses to be a Muslim should be executed when caught, just like any other mass murderer. It is called war, that is what you do to the bad guys.

If they are willing to abandon the path of war, I would forgive them of their former intentions, but not their former deeds. It is called surrender, and war crimes trials.

It is, after all, how it is done in civilized Nations. Just not how it is done in the stone age, Muslim death cult Empire.

But, the winner's rules are the ones followed in the end.