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Suspect confesses to 'intentional' murder [Ludwig, 18, and Borden, 14, describe Borden murders]
Lancaster PA Intelligencer Journal ^ | Nov 22, 2005 9:48 AM EST | Justin Quinn, Intelligencer Journal Staff

Posted on 11/22/2005 7:33:07 AM PST by newgeezer

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To: DA740

Another let's bust on the victim, eh? What was he to do? Tie her up and toss her in a closest until she was of age? This father was an excellent man by all accounts and immediately confronted a problem with his child when he discovered it. He thought she was at a friend's sleepover. When he realized differently, he confronted the young man. Biblically, he did exactly what he should have done. He just didn't know that in addition to lusting after his daughter that this teen-ager had been pursuing murderous fantasties and that his obedience in confronting a problem of sin would come face to face with a dangerous man's secret fantasies. A tragedy all around for all involved.


61 posted on 11/22/2005 8:35:31 AM PST by twigs
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To: AppyPappy

Well, she ran down the street after they guy. Seems pretty willing to me.


62 posted on 11/22/2005 8:35:58 AM PST by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: LWalk18

Yeah. I kinda missed that 'critical age' line.

My bad.


63 posted on 11/22/2005 8:36:39 AM PST by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: LWalk18

Thanks for the heads up... I know PA's laws in this area are a mess in my oppinion.


64 posted on 11/22/2005 8:36:48 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: DA740

So she gets a "pass" because you think her father was negligent? From everything I've read, the parents were great parents and were trying to deal with the situation as they knew it.

I've been "negligent" too in areas with my children. We all have. Looking back, there are lots of things I would have done different but that certainly wouldn't pardon my kids if they committed murder!


65 posted on 11/22/2005 8:36:51 AM PST by bonfire (dwindler)
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To: twigs

With a double murder charge, the kidnapping (and likely statutory rape) charges are small potatoes. Get him on the big charges, put him away forever.


66 posted on 11/22/2005 8:37:08 AM PST by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: Graymatter
Let's see how long it takes for her lawyer to claim she was monstrously abused by both parents.

I'm fully expecting the fact that both the boy and girl were homeschooled come into play.

67 posted on 11/22/2005 8:38:17 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: AppyPappy

"(Kara) observed the defendant pull out a gun and shoot her father. As she fled from the house, (Kara) then saw the defendant turn and point his gun towards her mother."

Maybe you didn't see this part. She WATCHED him kill her parents. She saw them bleeding and dying. Then she stepped over them in her rush to join her beloved.


68 posted on 11/22/2005 8:39:15 AM PST by bonfire (dwindler)
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To: SandyInSeattle

Good grief. She left her bleeding parents to die and ran after her boyfriend. Probably had to step over them to get out of the house. It takes a really cold person to do something like that--her own parents. Yeah, I think she was in on it. I think she egged him on, moreover.


69 posted on 11/22/2005 8:40:08 AM PST by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: Bigh4u2

You wouldn't want to lose the murder conviction with a kidnapping attached to it just because they couldn't prove a kidnapping occurred. Better to go just for the murder which there is no doubt about and deal with a kidnapping charge seperately.


70 posted on 11/22/2005 8:41:15 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: LWalk18

It's my understanding that these two posted a lot of stuff on blogs, and some of it might indicate they were both in on it.


71 posted on 11/22/2005 8:41:36 AM PST by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: newgeezer
This is just nauseating.

The devil is alive and well.

72 posted on 11/22/2005 8:41:46 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: sasafras
If she didn't conspire with him to murder her parents, she will not be convicted of anything.

Leaving with him afterwards, in effect helping him escape, might make it look like she was an accessory after the fact, but that will never stick.

She's a 14 year old girl who just saw her parents killed. Any competent lawyer would get her off the hook. She would be portrayed as a scared and confused kid, legally unaccountable for those actions.

Of course, she's looking at major jail time if her email or any other communications show that she conspired with him before the fact.

73 posted on 11/22/2005 8:43:10 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: MizSterious
Yeah, I think she was in on it. I think she egged him on, moreover.

Perhaps she was. However, innocent until proven guilty. Let's see the evidence then make a judgement as to her involvement.

74 posted on 11/22/2005 8:44:22 AM PST by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: Semi Civil Servant

While I think at 14 you know right from wrong and she should be held accountable I head Judge Napolatano on Fox say she won't be due to her age. I think movies and tv have caused these horrible events to be racheted up. Impressionable kids watch that crap and act on it. Look at the Lawyer's wife killed by an 18 yr old a few weeks ago and just seems lots of these events have occured more frequently in last several years. Movies-tv and the break up of the family have all contributed.


75 posted on 11/22/2005 8:44:32 AM PST by LYSandra
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To: dead

This statement could undermine her lawyers position tho.

"(Kara) told the defendant that she wanted to stay with him, and they drove west with the intent to 'get as far away as possible, get married and start a new life.'"

The quote is hers.


76 posted on 11/22/2005 8:45:59 AM PST by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: latina4dubya
my older sister never let my niece go to any sleep overs...

I won't. I'm more afraid of fathers diddling my girls.

When it comes to my girls, I rule with an iron fist.

77 posted on 11/22/2005 8:47:07 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Bigh4u2

That and the fact she watched him kill her parents. Did she run for help? Did she call 911? Did she search for her siblings to make sure they were all right? Did she try to stop the bleeding?

He didn't have the gun on her as he went outside and waited in the car for her. She was free to choose and she made her decision.


78 posted on 11/22/2005 8:48:33 AM PST by bonfire (dwindler)
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To: Bigh4u2
Yes, but at that point, she was "obviously traumatized," or so her defense will argue.

If they want to convict her, they'll need some evidence that she conspired with him before the fact.

I'm guessing that they'll find that evidence in her emails. Kids think they can just delete their emails and be rid of them, but no such luck.

79 posted on 11/22/2005 8:50:32 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Aquinasfan

I was very picky who my daughter spent the night with. Never had a problem with fathers. It was always the mothers that tried being a friend to the kids. One actually took 15 year old girls out at 3AM in her car so they could TP houses.


80 posted on 11/22/2005 8:50:46 AM PST by bonfire (dwindler)
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