Ex-UPS workers guilty in gun scam

The State ^ | Nov. 19, 2005 | ADAM BEAM

[aomagrat]

Who's more trustworthy, UPS or TSA?

[TexasGunLover]

Neither... UPS is a union run company and the TSA is a government run entity... it's safe to say, you shouldn't trust either...

[digger48]

We need a law against transporting guns by parcel delivery.

(you know that's what the DUmmies will say)

[Fiddlstix]

BTTT

[wideawake]

Ninan would drive UPS trucks to the perimeter and toss packages over the fence to Barnes, who would put them in his car.

What an incredibly well-oiled machine this ring was.

I can't believe these guys did this 200x before they got caught.

[Archangelsk]

From my experience, UPS, in spite of being unionized, is one of the most staunch conservative workplaces in America. It ranks right up there with the USPS and FedEx.

[penowa]

UPS is virtually the only carrier that will still ship guns anymore.

[TexasGunLover]

UPS is virtually the only carrier that will still ship guns anymore.

FedEx Express and Ground do, or so it says in their Terms and Conditions. I've shipped a couple through FedEx that I've bought off of gunbroker.com.

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But on Aug. 3, 2000, Martin made a mistake. He scanned one of the packages he was supposed to steal, and then manually removed it from the UPS system. “That sent up all kinds of red flags at UPS,” Hagins said. “That’s what got us zeroing in on (Martin) as well.”

Dumbass.

Sterling Serrone Leeper

That name rocks. Sounds like a foreign superhero.

[dhuffman@awod.com]

I note that you 'said' it but attributed the statement to DU. Reasonable regulations against guns are the hallmarks of the NRA and progressives. Damn both.

[beebuster2000]

UPS is virtually the only carrier that will still ship guns anymore.

why do you say that? fed ex will, wont they?

[digger48]

They'll no doubt rethink this policy when some trial lawyer decides to name them in a wrongful death case as a result of one of these guns being used in a homicide.

Is that why the others don't? Possible liability?

[Andonius_99]

< screaming liberal anti-gunner voice > WE SHOULD HOLD THE SELLER OF THE GUNS LIABLE IN THIS CASE AS WELL!!! IT'S FOR THE CHILDREN!!! THE EVIL NRA DOESN'T HAVE THE INTEREST OF THE CHILDREN IN MIND WHEN THEY FOUGHT TO GET THE PROTECTION OF LAWFUL COMMERCE IN ARMS ACT PASSED!!! AAAAAAGGGHHH!!! < /screaming liberal anti-gunner voice >. you know this kind of response will be coming down the pipe...

[Blood of Tyrants]

It is still legal to ship long guns via USPS.

[coloradan]

These people are why UPS now has a policy of only shipping guns next day, which costs a lot extra in shipping charges. These people ought to face a class-action lawsuit filed on behalf of all gun owners who have been forced to pay more for shipping guns.

[Jaxter]

The CMP, where I have bought several rifles, ships via FedEx.

[CodeToad]

UPS has had a rash of stolen firearms, so much so that they stopped accepting ground shipments of firearms.

[coloradan]

... passing the extra expenses on to you. The people in this article should face a class action lawsuit from gun owners for the extra expenses.

[Peace will be here soon]

As an ex employee of UPS, I can say this type of criminal ring is not uncommon at all within the company. Guns and jewelry are very common targets. It amazes me that many of these companies put their business logos on their boxes, they are just inviting this kind of thing to happen.

Its just not high dollar items either. Candy companies were prone to have their packages broken open and raided for the sweets. That happened all the time. Shoe companies had problems with stolen shoes. If you wanted a new pair of Nikes, you just had to find a unloader in the parking lot, tell them your size and style of shoe you wanted, and when the shipment came in, they would wear some crappy shoes in to work then simply pop open the box when nobody was around and slip the shoes on and wear them out the door, no one the wiser.... Only problem was if you had real big or small feet and the thief didn`t. But they would have to pass on those cases.

Some of these ring were very sophisticated. When the shipper and UPS would try to combat the problem, like having the logos changed on the boxes to say a Comic book company, and the packages were still stolen, they knew the ring was very deep inside the company, with many people at different levels involved.

UPS does alot to combat theft, by using hidden cameras and even employee plants/spies to try to get inside the rings. Their lost preventions department is quite good and usually break up these rings sooner or later.

UPS even pays people to spy on union activities ! Like what they say at union meetings and plans for strikes etc...

Its a wild company to work for, thats for sure. One of the most high stress enviroments I have even had to work in. They pay great but the headaches come with it.