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GM to cut 30,000 jobs
Reuters, Bloomberg | 21 Nov, 2005 | Self

Posted on 11/21/2005 5:34:36 AM PST by 12B

Breaking on Bloomberg and Reuters. GM will cut 30,000 jobs in massive restructuring. More....


TOPICS: Breaking News; Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: automakers; autoworkers; corporatewhores; generalmotors; gm; layoffs; uaw
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To: mongrel
Delphi's average wage is $26.97/hour (Google: Delphi "average wage"). The $60/hour figure is wages and benefits (health insurance, dental, vision, tool allowance, hearing tests, disability insurance, life insurance, etc.) -- Delphi's total cost per hour per employee.
241 posted on 11/21/2005 6:33:39 PM PST by polymuser (I wish the Republicans had a majority in Congress.)
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To: Paved Paradise
"elitist blue-collar bashing crap on FR."

Much worse is your populist executive bashing crap.

First, as it has been pointed out, your comparison of the salary of a worker to the compensation package of an executive making X times as much is bogus, because it fails to take into account the lavish (and yes, they are lavish for the jobs performed) benefits given to GM workers.

Second, as this case demonstrates clearly, a good executive is very valuable. If a "blue collar" guy on the line screws up, a part or a car, or maybe several of them, maybe be damaged.

If an executive screws up, as those at GM have been doing for decades (I have no sympathy for them either), then, as you can see, tens of thousands of people can lose their jobs.

That's why executives are paid more: It is a job few can do well, and the risks of them screwing up are extremely high. As such, they are compensated for it with their salary.

"I'm very conservative"

You may be, but the sentiments you espoused as not.

So you may want to reconcile that disconnect between what you claim to be and what you say with yourself before you try to sell everyone else here on your conservatism.
242 posted on 11/21/2005 6:55:27 PM PST by flashbunny (LOCKBOX: Where most republicans keep their gonads after they arrive in Washington D.C.)
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To: polymuser

Sorry, that's a distinction without a difference. In my original post I pointed out that the average worker makes over $100,000/year in wages and benefits.

The obscene benefits package is exactly what unions are using to drive companies into the ground. In addition, many of these insurances are run by the unions themselves to provide kickbacks.

All the companies would be better off giving straight cash to the employees.


243 posted on 11/21/2005 6:55:57 PM PST by mongrel
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To: flashbunny

On target. Reviewed her posts -- duplicitous.


244 posted on 11/21/2005 7:07:43 PM PST by polymuser (I wish the Republicans had a majority in Congress.)
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To: 12B
Breaking on Bloomberg and Reuters. GM will cut 30,000 jobs in massive restructuring. More...

As the head Honcho of Delphi sez not to long ago, that no Company in this time and age, will survive paying $60.00 an hour(benefits combined) for unskilled labor. Amen brother!

Me thinks we should start them all at minimum wage, and based on the ongoing process elevate them based on merits, not on Union arm twisting.

Benefits?...just like me and others...you are going to pay your share like I do($585 every month premiums, plus the deductibles)...if you can not live with that?...you need to look for another line of work.

To sum it up, it looks that the 1900's gravy train is finally drying up, and the freeloaders start squirming.

245 posted on 11/21/2005 7:08:29 PM PST by danmar ("Reason obeys itself,and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it....... Thomas Paine)
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To: mongrel
...distinction without a difference.

Understood. I agree, it's all received.

So many things would be quickly different if straight cash replaced the third-party enrollments. Or if income tax payroll deduction was replaced with direct billing.

246 posted on 11/21/2005 7:17:40 PM PST by polymuser (I wish the Republicans had a majority in Congress.)
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To: Paved Paradise
The individuals that I know do not get overtime until they've worked 40 hours. Just because the system isn't always operating properly doesn't mean we should crucify people.

Right, that's how it works...overtime after 40 hours. I agree about the "crucifying." Some even work 54 hours in four days, not just for the money, but to cover where help is needed.

...but I do seem to see a lot of behavior (like knocking blue collar workers) that smacks of elitism which is what we hate so much about the Left.

Yep, snobs come in all stripes, even conservative ones.

Wait until the ripple effect starts from those towns where the factories are closing. It will ripple out to everything...from McDonald's to selling cable TV to not having houses remodeled.

247 posted on 11/21/2005 7:30:03 PM PST by madison10
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To: Paved Paradise
When you say "I know why God says it is easier for a camel to pass through an eye of a needle than for a rich man to get into heaven."

I would say you might have slept thru the sermon where a 40% bonus the owner gave the manager and also put him in 'charge of many things.', whereas the unproductive type (union thug?) who made no money, was cast 'into the outer darkness'.
Matthew 25:14-30

One has to be careful whom one identifies with, it appears, to get that chance to be 'put in charge of many things; enter into the joy of your master.'

Link to Sermon 'Investing For God'
Sermon and Liturgy for Ordinary 33 - Year A
I Thessalonians 5:1-11; Matthew 25:14-30
"Investing For God"
---- LINKS TO THE WORLD'S BEST LECTIONARY, PREACHING, AND LITURGICAL RESOURCES ----

248 posted on 11/21/2005 7:30:06 PM PST by all_mighty_dollar
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To: danmar

I agree.

Just saw Pat Buchanan and Jim Kramer on Scarborough. Buchanan blamed the Republicans for free trade; Kramer blamed GM management, and Scarborough just cried his populist tears. In the end, they all blamed Bush!

No one mentioned:

Powerful unions. Over-paid, underperforming, unskilled workers. No one blamed poor marketing, bad design, poor product quality. No onw blamed the "American worker's" inability (refusal) to compete with Japanese workers.

No one talked about the poor schmuck that goes out and spends $25,000 on an American car that falls apart in three years. Or the same schmuck that can't trade his car because it's not worth what he owes on it.

No one talked about the American auto makers giving away their products with rebates and financing incentives that cheapen their brands.

I am for fair trade and I'm for buying American. But when it comes to spending thousands of dollars on an automobile, when the "average Joe" needs dependable transportation, the consumer has to buy the best car for the money.


249 posted on 11/21/2005 7:31:55 PM PST by rightinthemiddle (#1 Rule in Dealing with the Media, Democrats and Terrorists: Can't Please 'Em, so Don't Appease 'Em.)
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To: Revolting cat!

The real difference is in the interiors and the way they drive. GM always comes in last in those departments.


250 posted on 11/21/2005 7:38:04 PM PST by MarkeyD (Cowards cut and run. Marines finish the job. I really, really loathe liberals.)
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To: ken5050; NautiNurse

That was the real beginning of the end for gm-all of their divisions had their own engineers-their own engines-and their own exclusive innovations. That breeded competition within the company-and that was what made them king. They (the company) then decided if they basically just made 'em all Chevys, it would save a ton of money. 1/5 of the designers, engineers, etc;needed. They eliminated all those white-collar types back then. Let's not lay this solely at the feet of unions, because gm's been only interested in profit, and not quality or their customers, for many years-which is why they've gotten their ass kicked by the Japanese and Germans, once those countries got their act together on automobile manufacturing.


251 posted on 11/21/2005 7:40:43 PM PST by The Foolkiller ( Why......That sounds.....FOOLish!)
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To: 12B

GM's declining fortunes can be summed up in three letters: U-A-W (and its leftist-symp criminal co-conspirators in the DNC.)

Perhaps this will inspire the few Congressional Republicans who still have testicles to push Justice towards a RICO action against the union. God knows such a prosecutorial effort is only 75 years overdue!


252 posted on 11/21/2005 7:44:16 PM PST by Greg o the Navy
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To: Thermalseeker

Back in the early 1980's, I and a friend went to a Chevrolet dealer. He was thinking of trading in his Thunderbird and getting a corvette. The one on the showroom floor had ripples in the fiberglass. He approached the salesman, and complained about it-as this was a brand-new car. Salesman's response: : "F&%k it. If you don't buy it, someone else will" Exact quote. He then shrugged his shoulders & walked away. THAT attitude was what started to kill GM. Namely-we'll continue to build all the junk we want, knowing someone will but it.


253 posted on 11/21/2005 7:48:02 PM PST by The Foolkiller ( Why......That sounds.....FOOLish!)
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To: al_c; lone star annie

Please see my post-#253.


254 posted on 11/21/2005 7:51:46 PM PST by The Foolkiller ( Why......That sounds.....FOOLish!)
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To: Spktyr; neutronsgalore
Last I'd checked, the US-made barrels had never passed inspection and we were still relying on Rheinmetall.



Ja! Das is right, tell der Amerikan dumkopf neutronsgalore only Deutch master volk kan buildin der 120mm smoothbore gun. Amerika volk ist dumkopf!

255 posted on 11/21/2005 8:02:49 PM PST by fallujah-nuker (America needs more SAC and less empty sacs.)
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To: hubbubhubbub
They do need better cars.

I really like mine: 2005 C6 Corvette.

256 posted on 11/21/2005 8:47:23 PM PST by RadioAstronomer (Bagladies, trolls, and psychotics need not apply)
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To: madison10

You are right, Madison. The auto industry is a huge part (and barometer) of the US economy.


257 posted on 11/21/2005 8:49:29 PM PST by Lijahsbubbe
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To: Dallas59
"Let our Muslims burn the competitions cars?"

They've been doing their very best in France. I guess 1500 a day just is too little, too late.

258 posted on 11/21/2005 9:05:45 PM PST by Forte Runningrock
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To: pepperdog

Isn't that a brand of milk?




Lucerne is a Safeway brand name for milk, eggs and other dairy products.


259 posted on 11/21/2005 9:27:48 PM PST by Forte Runningrock
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To: The Foolkiller

That's true, but much of that cost cutting was brought on to GM because of ever increasing wage and benifit costs demanded by the unions. GN had to make up for expensive union settlements somehow. Cutting back on casting plants for things like the old rocket engines was one of them.


260 posted on 11/21/2005 9:35:58 PM PST by Forte Runningrock
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