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Education Can Damage Your Health [Russia]
The St. Petersburg Times ^ | Friday, November 18, 2005 | staff

Posted on 11/20/2005 4:27:07 PM PST by REactor

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To: GarySpFc

"The Nashi are only there to protect the government from the same thing which happened in the Ukraine, and they certainly are not an extremist group."

Gary, and what's so bad that happened in Ukraine that "Nashi" thugs need to protect Kremlin from ? Orange revolution I suppose ?

If protests against electoral fraud and vote rigging is a bad thing, then apparently we have a different definition what's bad and what's good.


21 posted on 11/21/2005 3:03:56 PM PST by sergey1973 (Russian American Political Blogger, Arm Chair Strategist)
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Sergey, I am not convinced vote rigging happened. Additionally, I don't for a second believe the FSB poisoned Yushchenko. They would have used a far more effective poison. There were no Russian tanks headed towards Kiev, and there certainly weren't any Russian Spetsnaz in Kiev. The Orange Revolution was supported from outside by NGOs from Soros, the US, and others. That simply is wrong, and we would be angry as hell if other governments interfered in our elections. That said, I accept the results, and we shall wait to see the outcome.
22 posted on 11/21/2005 3:22:09 PM PST by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: sergey1973

Have you seen any of the Nashi? How do you know they are thugs?


23 posted on 11/21/2005 3:23:05 PM PST by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: GarySpFc

I've read a number of accounts of opposition politicians being attacked and their attackers seen among Nashi meetings, etc. None of the high profile attacks on opposition politicians are properly investigated and there are no charges brought against these attackers. After all, there is no smoke without fire.


24 posted on 11/21/2005 3:37:24 PM PST by sergey1973 (Russian American Political Blogger, Arm Chair Strategist)
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To: sergey1973

Sergey, now you are dealing in rumors.


25 posted on 11/21/2005 3:55:29 PM PST by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: sergey1973

==After all, there is no smoke without fire.==

Don't forget, "Nashi" are 14-20 years old teenagers. They want to be 'heroes'.


26 posted on 11/22/2005 12:27:07 AM PST by mym (Russia)
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To: Freelance Warrior
Exactly what Americans did in Vietnam.

With the exception that Americans fought for freedom and the Soviet people (Russians?) fought to impose slavery. But you propably don't care for such things (or otherwise the difference would be obvious for you).

27 posted on 11/25/2005 6:45:44 PM PST by REactor (Niech bedzie pochwalony Jezus Chrystus)
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And why the Chechens are blowing up Russian buildings? Do you know the answer Mrs. Marmema? Choose from the following:

1. Chechens are evil and they like killing people. This nation should be exterminated because they are animals.

2. Western propaganda is confusing everything what's going on in North Caucasus. In reality people there are living in peace and harmony.

3. Russians have invaded this country 150 years ago, murdered one third of its population, made it a province of Russian Empire, then in 1940s' invaded it again under Stalin and deported ALL this nation from their native land. Then in 1990's when the Chechens tried to regain independence Russians invaded their country for the third and fourth times killing roughly 200 thousand people.

Which of the above answers is true, d'you think?

28 posted on 11/25/2005 7:09:52 PM PST by REactor (Pochwalony Jezus Chrystus)
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To: Freelance Warrior
Exactly what Americans did in Vietnam.

No.

29 posted on 11/25/2005 7:17:37 PM PST by aposiopetic
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To: REactor
The Communists fought for all peopple happyness and justice according to its doctrine. Since the majority of people didn't want to live in just society they have been made.

The USA bombed Vietnam with chemical weapons and napalm in order to make the Vietnamneese free people what significantly worsened the nation's health.

There is no difference.

I don't want to bash the USA for beacuse of many reasons (but excluding the one that we did the same).

30 posted on 11/26/2005 12:05:01 AM PST by Freelance Warrior
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To: Freelance Warrior

You are right, for the bombed it made no difference whether they were bombed by Americans, Russians or Martians. If you see no difference between the aggressor and the victim , then you must acknowledge that the number of Russains killed in WWII is easily cancelled out by the number of Germans, Poles, Lithanians, Ukrainians and Japanese killed by Russians. That's what moral equivalence leads to. "Moral equivalence" - am I not casting pearls before swine???


31 posted on 11/30/2005 5:40:42 PM PST by REactor
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If you see no difference between the aggressor and the victim , then you must acknowledge that the number of Russains killed in WWII is easily cancelled out by the number of Germans, Poles, Lithanians, Ukrainians and Japanese killed by Russians.

(1)The official number of killed Soviet citizens during WWII is more the the all others combined.

(2)The USA wasn't a defending party during the Vietnam war. "Moral equivalence" - am I not casting pearls before swine???

Probably, Sir. Your manners are quite amazing, I doubt I can equal you in this field.

32 posted on 12/01/2005 3:08:14 AM PST by Freelance Warrior
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To: Freelance Warrior
(1)The official number of killed Soviet citizens during WWII is more the the all others combined.

This statement is unfortunately not true as can easily be proved: WWII body count The unanswerable question remains to be what percent of those 21 million Soviet casulaties were killed by Germans?

(2)The USA wasn't a defending party during the Vietnam war

It was. USA was defending South Vietnam from communist aggression.

Your manners are quite amazing, I doubt I can equal you in this field.

Dear Sir, You, as a person brought up in an atheist country are probably not aware but "casting pearls before swines" is a citation from New Testament and is considered in Christian countries as a neutral metaphor.

Regards

REactor

33 posted on 12/04/2005 5:13:31 PM PST by REactor
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