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Armed standoff at Tacoma Mall (WA)
Eyewitness ^ | 11/20/05 | Ramius

Posted on 11/20/2005 12:41:22 PM PST by Ramius

Two separate reports, one from my Dad and one from a friend... both at Tacoma Mall. Not being allowed inside, due to "someone inside with a semiautomatic shooting in the mall".

Large number of police on the scene, sealing the exits. Not letting anyone in or out.

Will post a source as soon as I have one.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: banglist; mall; nihilism; shooting; tacoma
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To: Horatio Gates
The following is taken from a King 5 newsreport on their website.

3:29 p.m. Police say they are actively trying to make contact with the gunman inside the store to find out what he wants. He said that contact with the suspect had been intermittent, in part because members of the media had been calling in to the store and tying up the line. The Associated Press earlier made contact with an employee inside the store who said he was being held hostage.

241 posted on 11/20/2005 8:35:03 PM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (I get paid to get in your business.)
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To: TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig

Unbelievable.

Have you heard ~anything~ about motive?


242 posted on 11/20/2005 9:00:06 PM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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To: RetiredArmy

I only wish I could be in peace mode.


243 posted on 11/20/2005 9:13:28 PM PST by bvw
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To: bvw
You hunt? A hunter is "turned on". Most people aren't. Maybe New Yorkers. People who live near crack alleys have to be. Most people aren't. That intense quick-reaction situational awareness is not necessarily a good thing.

That explains my husband, I guess. He grew up in a few bad (Tacoma) neighborhoods. Where his mom still lives in the Eastside is where the DC Sniper shot his Tacoma victim. (Plus, his parents were involved in drugs and with sketchy people when he was a kid.) He's always aware of everything in his surroundings and picks up details I don't (and I am more aware than many are.)

244 posted on 11/20/2005 9:16:16 PM PST by conservative cat
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To: Baynative
So, how'd you manage to catch it? ;}

My dog brought it to my attention.

245 posted on 11/20/2005 9:35:25 PM PST by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: Horatio Gates

Remember, Horatio. Mine shoots balls!


246 posted on 11/20/2005 9:37:55 PM PST by Just Lori (End the leftist occupation of America!)
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To: Lancer_N3502A

Niether do I...

This is my rifle...this is my gun....this is for fighting..this is ......


247 posted on 11/21/2005 3:54:07 AM PST by nevergore (“It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.”)
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To: Ramius
WA is a "shall issue" state.

Please explain/elaborate.

248 posted on 11/21/2005 5:39:44 AM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: SW6906; Ramius
Basicly they cannot deny you a carry permit unless you are a felon or legally insane.

OK, thanks for the explanation.

249 posted on 11/21/2005 5:41:13 AM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: Ramius
Callers reporting that stores started closing their shutters to protect people in their stores.

Good! Smart move. I used to work in a mall when I was in college. This is the best thing the storeowners can do or could have done in this case.

250 posted on 11/21/2005 5:42:39 AM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: Ramius

Story on MSNBC this morning included some more information about motive... apparently he sent his ex-girlfriend a text message: "today the world will feel my pain".

I think his intent was mayhem and maybe suicide.


251 posted on 11/21/2005 6:10:29 AM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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To: johnny7
"Weren't the DC snipers from WA?"

Only in that that is where they obtained the rifle. The older guy was (I think) originally from Baton Rouge, La. and the youger one was a "furriner" from one of the Caribbean Islands (Puerto Rico/Dominican Repub.??).

As I recall, the older one married the younger one's mother and got her to the states, where she left him and ended up in or around Tacoma. He followed her up (stalking), and got the younger guy to join him.

There are also strong indications that there was some "Muslim theology" involved.

252 posted on 11/21/2005 6:39:28 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: Wonder Warthog
Thanks.

The mom was Jamaican... right? I do remember some Muslim references at the time... but that was quickly hushed-up.

253 posted on 11/21/2005 6:43:37 AM PST by johnny7 (“What now? Let me tell you what now.”)
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To: Wonder Warthog

She (the ex) may have been in Tacoma too at some point, but she ended up in the DC area, that's why the shooting spree was there. The plan may have been to kill her, and the other victims were just to hide her murder in the others and make it look random.


254 posted on 11/21/2005 6:44:03 AM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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To: Tinman73
"Hehehehe no malls in the town I grew up in. Heck, they rolled up the streets at 5 Pm and everything but the bars closed :)"

Your home town had more than one bar?? Gee, a pretty big place, sounds like. I'll bet you probably even had a traffic light??

My home town only had one (bar that is), and no light. We "did" have "Stop" sign, though.

255 posted on 11/21/2005 6:50:28 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: HairOfTheDog
"She (the ex) may have been in Tacoma too at some point, but she ended up in the DC area, that's why the shooting spree was there. The plan may have been to kill her, and the other victims were just to hide her murder in the others and make it look random."

She was certainly in Tacoma for some time. I think her sister or good friend (or both)were also there, and it was she who had custody of Malvo (the young shooter). The older shooter (something "Muhammad") killed one of them while in Tacoma (I forget which one). As I recall, authorities think he also killed one or more women in Baton Rouge, as well.

256 posted on 11/21/2005 7:01:49 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: HairOfTheDog

Well... looks like my gang theory is blown. Looks like the "teen angst" gambit. Loser who thinks the world must "feel his pain", yada yada yada...

Plenty of self-esteem, at any rate. Only somebody pretty arrogant thinks that the world should be interested in his pain in the first place.


257 posted on 11/21/2005 7:09:43 AM PST by Ramius (Buy blades for war fighters: freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net --> 1000 knives and counting!)
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To: Wonder Warthog; Ramius
Well, here's the local coverage this morning.

GUNMAN HITS SIX | TheNewsTribune.com | Tacoma, WA

Ex-girlfriend says suspect started acting odd recently | TheNewsTribune.com | Tacoma, WA

258 posted on 11/21/2005 7:10:20 AM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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To: Ramius

I hate teen angst.


259 posted on 11/21/2005 7:12:54 AM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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To: HairOfTheDog

Teen angst really p!sses me off. :-)

Who keeps telling these little monsters that the world gives a rats patootie about their little problems?


260 posted on 11/21/2005 7:46:35 AM PST by Ramius (Buy blades for war fighters: freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net --> 1000 knives and counting!)
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