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(Indian Ariforce) IAF show leaves US forces spellbound (Cope India 2005 Exercises)
The Indian Express ^ | Friday, November 18, 2005 at 0000 hours IST | SHIV AROOR

Posted on 11/20/2005 6:19:39 AM PST by Gengis Khan

KALAIKUNDA, NOV 17: As the Cope India 2005 Indo-US air force exercises wound down today after two weeks of feverish action in the eastern skies, the US Air Force were left with a stark, double-edged realization.

One — that it is no longer the unchallenged leader in the skies, and two—for all future joint operations in South Asia, the IAF would, without doubt, be its natural partner.

Vice Commander of the US Pacific Air Forces Lt Gen Dave Deptula said: ‘‘I have never seen a better executed exercise in my 29 years with the USAF. This will go a long way towards establishing peace and stability in the region. Every single objective of this exercise has been met. It was not the US against India. It was an exercise on how to operate together.’’

Admittedly, the two forces still have much to learn from each other, especially in procedures and operational routines. Both sides said that given an immediate security threat, the two forces now had the capability to fly together in response. ‘‘We will now be prepared if called upon in the future for a contingency, unnamed and unknown. We will be in a position to respond. We can get onto the task of resolving crisis situations together without wasting time,’’ Lt Gen Deptula said. Today, the two sides flew a rare high value airborne asset (HVAA) attack simulation over Kalaikunda, which principally illustrated the cohesive nature of this round of war games. In the mission, the USAF’s E-3 Sentry AWACS aircraft was escorted by American F-16s and Indian Su-30s in a scenario where the AWACS was attacked by a hybrid mix of American F-16s, Indian Mirage-2000s and Su-30s. In the words of one of Mirage pilots, this, more than any of the other maneuvers in the last weeks, epitomized what Cope India was about. Air Marshal Fali Major, Eastern Commander, said: ‘‘This exercise simulated a hot war scenario in a conventional setting. It was not about terror.’’

During the last Cope India exercise in February 2004, American F-15 pilots had admitted finding it bizarre that their Indian counterparts had routed them in many maneuvers. This time round, the buzzword was a studied ‘jointness’, though pilots told this newspaper off the record that the IAF had maintained its ‘‘one-up’’.


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1 posted on 11/20/2005 6:19:39 AM PST by Gengis Khan
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To: Gengis Khan
that it is no longer the unchallenged leader in the skies

Yeah, I'm overwhelmed. /s

2 posted on 11/20/2005 6:21:54 AM PST by somemoreequalthanothers (All for the betterment of "the state", comrade)
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Gengis, do you know how the HVAA attack went? Did the attackers get through?


3 posted on 11/20/2005 6:23:29 AM PST by SIDENET ("IT'S A COOKBOOK!!!")
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But, but, but don't we have top guns???? Or whatever.


4 posted on 11/20/2005 6:23:44 AM PST by cynicom
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To: Gengis Khan
though pilots told this newspaper off the record that the IAF had maintained its ‘‘one-up’’.

Wonder if off the record they'd acknowledge that the ROEs were heavily weighted in favor of the IAF, again.

Send the IAF to Fallon and we'll see how well they do against NFWS.

5 posted on 11/20/2005 6:26:04 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: SIDENET

I haven't any info on that yet.


6 posted on 11/20/2005 6:26:18 AM PST by Gengis Khan
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To: Gengis Khan
Admittedly, the two forces still have much to learn from each other, especially in procedures and operational routines.

Nicey-nicey code speak for "the Indian Air Force still has a long way to go."

7 posted on 11/20/2005 6:27:39 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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"Wonder if off the record they'd acknowledge that the ROEs were heavily weighted in favor of the IAF, again. "

Not this time. I dont think so.


8 posted on 11/20/2005 6:28:02 AM PST by Gengis Khan
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Thanks for the reply. I would have loved to have been part of this exercise. It sounded pretty cool from all that I've read in the press releases.


9 posted on 11/20/2005 6:29:24 AM PST by SIDENET ("IT'S A COOKBOOK!!!")
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

"............though pilots told this newspaper off the record that the IAF had maintained its ‘‘one-up’’."


10 posted on 11/20/2005 6:29:55 AM PST by Gengis Khan
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No longer unchallenged in the skies...?
Must mean that the IAF would actually risk putting their birds airborne in a tussle with the USAF, as opposed to hiding them on the ground. Either way, the enemy ends up a pile of smoking rubble.


11 posted on 11/20/2005 6:30:00 AM PST by Shqipo (And so the great battle starts...)
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To: somemoreequalthanothers
that it is no longer the unchallenged leader in the skies
Bwahahaha!

Yeah, I'm overwhelmed. /s
Heehee. Me too.

12 posted on 11/20/2005 6:33:37 AM PST by starfish923 ( It's never right to do wrong. Socrates)
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One — that it is no longer the unchallenged leader in the skies

This is total crap because our new F/22 Raptor's are without equal.

13 posted on 11/20/2005 6:34:56 AM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: Gengis Khan
Great....

Since this exercise went so wonderful, why don't we outsource our airforce as well...

14 posted on 11/20/2005 6:38:13 AM PST by sit-rep (If you acquire, hit it again to verify...)
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Not a fair article, admittedly. Plays to an Indian audience by possibly exaggerating the IAF's achievements.
the other possibility is that the USAF deliberately underplayed their capabilities in order to see how far the IAF could stretch. Sometimes it makes sense to not reveal all your strengths, even to friends (:-)


15 posted on 11/20/2005 6:38:22 AM PST by voletti (To go where no man has gone before....)
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You missed the second point:
"for all future joint operations in South Asia, the IAF would, without doubt, be its natural partner. "

This excercise is about preparing for a joint Indo-US co-operation in aerial warfare for future conflicts in Asia (read China)........ not an India-US war.


16 posted on 11/20/2005 6:38:51 AM PST by Gengis Khan
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To: AmericaUnited

I thought the F22 was sort of boring until I saw the latest footage on the History Channel a couple of weeks ago. The "thrust vectoring" maneuvers were awesome.


17 posted on 11/20/2005 6:40:11 AM PST by somemoreequalthanothers (All for the betterment of "the state", comrade)
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To: Gengis Khan

Aren't the Israelis assisting in their training?


18 posted on 11/20/2005 6:41:13 AM PST by RightInEastLansing
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To: Gengis Khan

I'm sure the IAF is very good, and the new MIGs are superior to the F-15 in some ways, but these exercies aren't really a test of best against best.

I'll let The Indian Express have the bragging rights, though. The USAF has nothing to prove.


19 posted on 11/20/2005 6:41:26 AM PST by jimtorr
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I'd like to think India would be an ally in checking future Chinese expansion, but I'm not sold on it yet.


20 posted on 11/20/2005 6:42:02 AM PST by Shqipo (And so the great battle starts...)
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