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Did Texas execute an innocent man?
Houston Chronicle ^ | Nov. 19, 2005 | LISE OLSEN

Posted on 11/19/2005 4:20:16 PM PST by Ninian Dryhope

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To: al_again

then work to change the system not try to get rid of the solution. like i said you complain about the penalty when the problem is a corrupt system. I know of 1 man that was robbing crack houses in Missouri and Kansas. The states did not want to prosecute him because he would make them look bad because he was putting crack houses out of business. The feds arrested him but couldnt try him for robbery as there is no crime of robbery in federal law. They charged him for interfering with interstate commerce because the electricity to the houses came from texas and the gas came from oklahoma. He got 2 life sentences. The people that were sent to prison because of a corrupt system is the problem. If they want you they can get you.


121 posted on 11/20/2005 6:31:43 AM PST by bdfromlv (Leavenworth hard time)
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To: A. Pole

10/2003 - Ohio
Prison Inmate Gets Death Sentence In Strangling

An Ohio prisoner convicted of strangling his cellmate will be executed. The prisoner, Timothy Hancock, 33, initially got a life sentence for the November 2000 slaying. However, Warren County prosecutors appealed to demand stiffer punishment, and a new sentencing was ordered. Hancock's death sentence will be automatically appealed to the Ohio Supreme Court, which is required in capital cases. Hancock was convicted two years ago of killing Jason Wagner, 25,of Lancaster. They shared a cell at Warren Correctional Institution near Lebanon. Hancock was serving a life term for a 1990 murder.

http://www.prodeathpenalty.com/repeat_murder.htm


122 posted on 11/20/2005 6:35:22 AM PST by Ninian Dryhope
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To: Ninian Dryhope
Both believe they could have saved Cantu if they had had the courage to tell the truth before he died at 26.

Texas executed a man based on the testimony of these two men.

If it turns out these two men LIED, then the state didn't wrongfully execute an innocent man.

His death was caused because both of these men were to COWARDLY to tell the truth.

Perjury at the very least. The phrases accessory to murder and manslaughter come to mind as well.

123 posted on 11/20/2005 6:35:45 AM PST by MamaTexan (I am NOT a 'legal entity', nor am I a *person* as created by law!)
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To: Ninian Dryhope

or bullets


124 posted on 11/20/2005 6:40:49 AM PST by bdfromlv (Leavenworth hard time)
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To: Ninian Dryhope

Good, so how often such cases happen? Are they more frequent than false convictions?


125 posted on 11/20/2005 6:42:02 AM PST by A. Pole (CEO of CISCO: "What we're trying to do is outline an entire strategy of becoming a Chinese company.")
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To: MamaTexan
His death was caused because both of these men were to COWARDLY to tell the truth.

The system should not reward testimonies against and should not punish testimonies in defense. It is silly to expect heroic sacrifice from the prison cell-mates or criminals.

126 posted on 11/20/2005 6:44:42 AM PST by A. Pole (CEO of CISCO: "What we're trying to do is outline an entire strategy of becoming a Chinese company.")
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To: MamaTexan
Texas executed a man based on the testimony of these two men.

Circumstantial (or physical) evidence is far better than "eyewitness" testimony. Not that this is the obverse of the OJ case; that case had no eyewitness testimony and this case had no physical evidence. Most people like eyewitness testimony but dislike circumstantial evidence. This is backwards from the actual reliability of evidence.

127 posted on 11/20/2005 6:46:18 AM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: A. Pole
"execution capital of the world."

Link

The 12 countries with the most executions in 2004:

  1. China - 3,400+
  2. Iran - 159+
  3. Vietnam - 64+
  4. USA - 59
  5. Saudi Arabia - 33+
  6. Pakistan - 15+
  7. Kuwait - 9+
  8. Bangladesh - 7+
  9. Egypt - 6+
  10. Singapore - 6+
  11. Yemen - 6+
  12. Belarus - 5+

128 posted on 11/20/2005 6:47:46 AM PST by Michael Goldsberry (an enemy of islam -- Joe Boucher; Leapfrog; Dr.Zoidberg; Lazamataz; ...)
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To: Leapfrog
Need anyone read further?

You've got that right!

129 posted on 11/20/2005 6:50:06 AM PST by demkicker
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To: Ninian Dryhope

Sounds like the guy was innocent. The guy who gave the false ID should go to jail for life.


130 posted on 11/20/2005 6:50:15 AM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Ninian Dryhope

They got it right.


131 posted on 11/20/2005 6:54:51 AM PST by Unicorn (Too many wimps around.)
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To: ARealMothersSonForever
Much better!!!

Even with due process - mistakes do occur. And even due process comes into question in some cases. There are time-limit laws in place in many states where new evidence is not allowed after x amount of time after the trial. Evidence that clearly exonerates the convicted is not allowed to even be introduced to the courts for consideration.

As I've said before, the argument revolves around whether people find it acceptable for innocent people to be put to death for the greater good'.

I don't think it is an unreasoned position to say that, as a society, we are willing to accept this. I happen to strongly disagree with this position.

132 posted on 11/20/2005 7:00:49 AM PST by al_again
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To: Michael Goldsberry

I said Texas, not USA. How Texas compares per capita?


133 posted on 11/20/2005 7:03:55 AM PST by A. Pole (CEO of CISCO: "What we're trying to do is outline an entire strategy of becoming a Chinese company.")
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To: A. Pole
Texas is the armpit of America

As a Texan, I find your comment hilarious. You must not travel very much

Normally those are fighting words but, such appalling ignorance is a valid excuse.

134 posted on 11/20/2005 7:05:09 AM PST by Popman (In politics, ideas are more important than individuals.)
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To: rwfromkansas
Obviously I think it is wrong to wrongly convict and imprison anyone.

Let me get this straight - your argument is that the state is actually doing wrongly convicted individuals a favor by executing them instead of having them spend years in prison trying to regain there freedom???

135 posted on 11/20/2005 7:09:11 AM PST by al_again
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To: A. Pole
"I said Texas, not USA."

You said Texas is the execution capital of the world. That is incorrect.

136 posted on 11/20/2005 7:11:24 AM PST by Michael Goldsberry (an enemy of islam -- Joe Boucher; Leapfrog; Dr.Zoidberg; Lazamataz; ...)
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To: jaguaretype

Well, lets hope so. We're watching you Arnold.


137 posted on 11/20/2005 7:28:54 AM PST by DoughtyOne (MSM: Public support for war waining. 400/3 House vote against pullout vaporizes another lie.)
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To: jaguaretype

The question would be 'is this guy guilty of this crime'? I don't think they presented evidence to the contrary. Was he "innocent"? Not by a long shot.


138 posted on 11/20/2005 8:34:04 AM PST by SouthTexas (What part of NO don't you understand?)
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To: Ninian Dryhope
Zon: Heck, it doesn't even have to be your child, what would you say to any person that suffers a loved one wrongly put to death by the State?112

You didn't answer the question, you obfuscated around it.

 Nor did you answer this question: "... what would you say to your child if mommy (or daddy) though innocent, was sentenced to death?" 112

What obfuscating rationalization would you put forth in a futile attempt to deny the reality that it's impossible to correct the injustice of an innocent person put to death?

139 posted on 11/20/2005 9:03:47 AM PST by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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To: Ninian Dryhope

What would you say to your child if mommy (or daddy) though innocent, was sentenced to death?


140 posted on 11/20/2005 9:03:49 AM PST by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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