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To: Mia T; Luke21
You've ignored the 2nd part of my answer. Giuliani wins because he has the qualities we need during these dangerous times.

Liberalism is never a positive quality.

I am willing to give up my parochial wants in this time of crisis. I think most people are. It seems you are not.

EXCUSE ME. The lives of the millions of unborn children being slaughtered are not "parochial" The liberties and protections that our founding fathers left us in the Bill of Rights and generations of brave Americans have fought and died for are not "parochial". The moral foundations of human civilization and the laws of God in the Bible are not "parochial".

The question you must ask yourself is this: If sticking to your guns (pardon the pun) will result in electing ultra leftie and ultra danger President hillary Clinton, will you stick to your guns?

That's a hollow assertion. There are plenty of capable leaders with the ability to defeat Hillary. In fact the surest way to defeat her is to find someone who offers an ALTERNATIVE on the issues that matter most. Not more of the same

38 posted on 11/19/2005 8:57:32 PM PST by ElkGroveDan (California bashers will be called out)
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To: ElkGroveDan

1-Put hillary in office and all of our children will be at risk, the born and unborn alike.

2-The abortion issue will soon be mooted by medical science. (I wrote a piece on this a few months ago as did Tony Blankley.)

3-Notwithstanding, Bush's nominations to the court may very well achieve a majority position, thereby rendering the next president somewhat less important in this area.

Consider this hypothetical: Bush has the opportunity to replace Ginsburg, Souter, Breyer, Kennedy and Stevens. With 7 Justices replaced by Bush, would you then be willing to concede that this changes the dynamic as regards the ideology of a president?

4-Your definition of a capable leader seems to be by definition someone with narrow appeal. I suspect you are generalizing from Reagan. Reagan was sui generis. I agree with the author of the article, above, from Townhall.com. Because of the demonization of Bush, the demagoguery, the electorate will never go for a right-wing ideologue.

5-I agree with you on a theoretical level: a lot of people can beat hillary. I am about to post a clip in which maureen dowd and chris matthews literally tear the hillary candidacy apart. Matthews says that Pee Wee Herman would give hillary a race!

But in real life, only someone with the same degree of celebrity and power can compete with the clinton machine.


39 posted on 11/19/2005 9:53:57 PM PST by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: ElkGroveDan

BTW, when you imply that there is no difference between Giuliani and clinton, you betray your narrow perspective.


40 posted on 11/19/2005 9:59:02 PM PST by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: ElkGroveDan; Mia T

I'll vote for him. Let me first say, I hate abortion and yes, I share the same concerns over Giuliani's abortion stance as many of you but lets be realistic, can any president stop abortion? No. The U.S. Supreme Court can't stop abortion. If Roe v. Wade were overturned tomorrow it would not outlaw abortion, it would just give the issue back to the states, where it was pre-Roe. And lets face it, while many of the red states, particularly those in the south, would outlaw abortion, the blue states wouldn't. Abortions would still be continue to occur. Now I believe Roe should be overturned. Its terrible consitituional law and with the right justices I believe it will be overturned. I believe and hope that with Harriet Miers we will have 4 justices that will vote to overturn Roe and I believe there's a decent chance Bush will be able replace Stevens with a conservative to hopefully give us 5 strong conservatives. Giuliani has said he agrees that the president is right to choose strict constructionist without a litmus test so I believe he would do the same if elected. So therefore, Giuliani might be helpful in getting Roe overturned. Of course we don't know if Bush will be helpful with his appointments because nobody ever knows how a Supreme Court justice will vote until they are on the court. As far as the gay issue, Rudy is AGAINST gay marriage. He is however for equal opportunity for gays without discrimination, which is fair. I truly hope you don't hate gays. Remember, hate the sin not the sinner. President Bush has the same position. As far as the gun issue, I don't believe Rudy will push for gun control. He knows better. Besides, a Republican Congress isn't going to pass any gun control legislation anyways. Giuliani has been extremely supportive of Bush in foreign policy and I believe he would continue those policies. He has been very supportive of Bush's economic polices and tax cuts so I have no problems there. Finally, I believe that Giuliani has leadership ability beyond equal and that's exactly what we will continue to need beyond 2008. He would make an excellent Commander in Chief. He will be as strong as Bush in foreign policy and on the WOT and that's the most important, overriding issue. Plus, who else realistically has a better shot at beating Hillary? Those who say they would vote third party and give the election to Hillary are losing it. Nobody can honestly say Hillary would be better or equal to Rudy as president. Reagan's big tent anyone? Or how about Reagan negoiating with Congressional Democrats over legislation, saying getting 75% is better than nothing. With Rudy you get 75%, with Hillary you get nothing. With all of this in mind, I will enthusatically support Giuliani for president. Giuliani/Jeb Bush 2008!


50 posted on 11/20/2005 10:52:43 AM PST by My GOP
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