[WildTurkey]

Philosophers have argued that this order means that there is an Orderer responsible for the observed order. Christian revelation provides that this Orderer is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of the Scriptures and Christianity.

Hmmm. These guys were wrong about the sun rotating around the earth and you want us to believe they have discovered the "Orderer"? Obviously, their "Orderer" was terribly flawed ...

[Rampolla]

Which "guys" would you be speaking about? Plus how do your comments fit into this debate about ID?