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We're not in Kansas anymore (Krauthammer slams Intelligent Design)
Townhall ^ | 11/18/2005 | Charles Krauthammer

Posted on 11/18/2005 7:58:33 AM PST by Uncledave

Edited on 11/18/2005 6:57:43 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

WASHINGTON -- Because every few years this country, in its infinite tolerance, insists on hearing yet another appeal of the Scopes monkey trial, I feel obliged to point out what would otherwise be superfluous -- that the two greatest scientists in the history of our species were Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein, and they were both religious.


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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: intelligentdesign; krauthammer; scienceeducation
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To: Nanny7

Nothing is preventing IDers from presenting their theories in Scientific journals and subject them to Peer Review. That's what it takes to be taken seriously in the world of Science...not pressuring local school boards.


21 posted on 11/18/2005 8:47:53 AM PST by Borges
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To: orionblamblam
"and the fool said in his heart: There is no god"

"and the fool said on Free Republic: There is no evolution."

and the fool replied on Free Republic: "There is no proof of either, so to each his own faith, or not, and no man's faith or lack thereof is superior to another's."

22 posted on 11/18/2005 8:48:47 AM PST by rmgatto
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To: Uncledave

The point isn't whether it would be nice if God used evolution, of course He could have. But anything close to a literal reading of Genesis doesn't allow for it.


23 posted on 11/18/2005 8:49:03 AM PST by TeenagedConservative
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To: Uncledave
Krauthammer can't help it.Sometimes his brain cells are just overwhelmed with memories of the indoctrination he was subjected to at Harvard.
24 posted on 11/18/2005 8:50:54 AM PST by Gay State Conservative
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To: Nanny7

Darwin's theory is subject to scientific examination and has been extensively, the ID position is not. That is the crucial distinction. And maybe you could share with us examples of how scientific "data" has been suppressed because they tend to prove ID.


25 posted on 11/18/2005 8:50:58 AM PST by B.Bumbleberry
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To: Gay State Conservative

Or in Medical School.


26 posted on 11/18/2005 8:51:34 AM PST by Borges
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To: Nanny7
To maintain modern elitist dogma, evolutionists want to censor (keep from students) data that may suggest the i.d. position so now the roles are reversed.

Have you looked at the 'textbook' the IDers recommended in Dover?Of Panda's and People'claimed, for example, that the skeleton of the Tasmanian Tiger was almost identical with that of the Gray Wolf, an idiotic contention that a child could rebut. Here's a review of the 'ID' text the Dover was promoting by Kevin Padian, an expert in palaeontology.

In a nutshell: the 'data' you speak of either don't exist or are fabricated.

27 posted on 11/18/2005 8:52:26 AM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Borges

You're right. Peer review is going on, but is this debate reaching the classrooms? ... i'll try not to double-click this time. ; )


28 posted on 11/18/2005 8:52:46 AM PST by Nanny7
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To: Borges

Exactly.


29 posted on 11/18/2005 8:53:35 AM PST by B.Bumbleberry
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To: Nanny7

that's because ID theories don't hold up under any notion of Peer Review. They are untestable.


30 posted on 11/18/2005 8:53:45 AM PST by Borges
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To: B.Bumbleberry
Scientific evolutionary theory merely tries to establish the physical processes that have resulted in the bioligical diversity that we observe today.

What if a supernatural being suspended natural laws of the universe in order to accomplish this? Would this be detectable by science?

And if not, then the scientific, naturalistic, answer is going to be wrong and will never know that it is wrong.

It's certainly OK to assume there has been no supernatural intervention and proceed to do science from that starting point. But just don't pretend you've ruled out God. Because you haven't.

31 posted on 11/18/2005 8:54:18 AM PST by delapaz
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To: Steve_Seattle

"The theory of evolution is basically a denial that there is ANY intelligence in the universe."

What is the definition of intelligence?


32 posted on 11/18/2005 8:54:38 AM PST by Avenger
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To: orionblamblam

I don't think anyone would disagree that evolution doesn't occur, just whether it is an adequate explanation for how life originated on this plant.


33 posted on 11/18/2005 8:54:50 AM PST by GOPPachyderm
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To: Borges

ID is eminently testable. Produce an example of complex, specified information that arose by chance.

Just one example completely destroys ID.


34 posted on 11/18/2005 8:55:24 AM PST by delapaz
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To: Borges
Or in Medical School.

Yup.I don't know where he got his undergraduate degree, but I know he went to Harvard Medical School because while he was there I was working at one of the Harvard teaching hospitals and often saw him in the corridors and often heard him paged over the loudspeaker system.

35 posted on 11/18/2005 8:55:31 AM PST by Gay State Conservative
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To: Borges

Are you saying that i.d. theories have not been addressed in peer review journal? Let the students in on the debate!


36 posted on 11/18/2005 8:56:17 AM PST by Nanny7
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To: Uncledave

Lemme see if I understand Charles correctly here: He is saying it is not proper to fill evolutionary gaps with God because it is only proper to fill these "gaps" with scientific faith?

I suppose Charles also confuses adaption with evolution.


37 posted on 11/18/2005 8:57:15 AM PST by AZRepublican
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To: delapaz

actually substitue the word natural non-intelligent-directed causes for 'chance'


38 posted on 11/18/2005 8:57:43 AM PST by delapaz
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To: Nanny7

High school students aren't part of the debate. We just teach them accepted science.


39 posted on 11/18/2005 8:57:44 AM PST by Borges
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To: Uncledave
Math and Science are tools of the devil. The earth is flat, and the sun revolves around the earth. Dinosaurs never existed and the earth is around 6,000 years old. Kansas curriculum in a nutshell.
40 posted on 11/18/2005 8:59:26 AM PST by FFIGHTER (Character Matters!)
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