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To: Tolik
If France tried to be a multiracial society — more like the United States

The big lie about France is that it has diversity problems..... France has absorbed hordes of non-northern Europeans since forever. The Moorish influence in the mediterranean is visible in the genepool along the Riviera. France has a track record of cultural diversification.

The only reason the new groups can't fitin is that they refuse to fit in. The Muslims want to make France part of the greater Eurabian caliphate. Nothing less.

The unassimilated have been allowed to create their own caliphate within the suburbs of French cities.

The big lesson here is this: English proficiency needs to be mandatory at all age levels in the USA and potentially all of North America. Cultural connectedness to mainstream western civilization can't happen without English rpoficiency. We need a manhattan engineering district type project to make sure English is understood by all.

Aztlan is the vain hope of those who would enslave their own people for a socialist power grab at the expense of the living standards of the average joe.

7 posted on 11/18/2005 7:51:56 AM PST by i.l.e. (Tagline - this space for sale....)
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To: i.l.e.

"The big lesson here is this: English proficiency needs to be mandatory at all age levels in the USA and potentially all of North America."

There ya go! If we're all speaking the same language ain't no chance for misinterpretation!!!


8 posted on 11/18/2005 9:07:34 AM PST by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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To: i.l.e.

"The big lie about France is that it has diversity problems..... France has absorbed hordes of non-northern Europeans since forever. The Moorish influence in the mediterranean is visible in the genepool along the Riviera. France has a track record of cultural diversification.

The only reason the new groups can't fitin is that they refuse to fit in. The Muslims want to make France part of the greater Eurabian caliphate. Nothing less."

Your first paragraph is correct. France and "French", as a race, was made by a fusion of cultures.

But your second is not.

The key difference is that when the various other European tribes were amalgamated in Europe, they all shared Catholicism as the primary value, but they also were joining a country that for centuries and centuries had the biggest, most bustling and industrious economy in Europe. There was always work to do in France.

That remained true in the 1960s, when the North Africans came to work in the factories and the mines. What is different from all of the past is that now the French economy is NOT the bustling, industrious, commercially vibrant place it was during the age of Empire, during the age of Napoleon and the Revolution, and under the Kings. Now, instead, it is sclerotic. People blame "socialism" in general, but that is too imprecise. Specifically, labor regulation in France is so arduous and difficult, that hiring people is an unrewarding experience for business. There is still plenty of commerce and enterprise in France: it is not true that it is impossible, or even difficult, to set up a private business in France and start making money. French individuals are rather entrepreneurial, and do indulge in quite a bit of private business. Quite a bit of it is on the black market, but quite a bit is also normally organized.

Where these businesses hang-fire, however, is that they cannot GROW. They remain tied to the individual entrepreneur and his family: a labor and skills pool related by blood, where the rigidities of labor law do not reach. But expanding to that next step: a SECOND store, or transforming a workshop of an artisan into a small factory for manufacture: this is rendered very frightening by the labor laws, by the inability to discharge workers even for economic necessity.

And so there is a lot of business, and considerable wealth generation in France, but there are scarcely any jobs created by this. Those who have jobs, stay in them. Those who start and run their own businesses, do so but do not employ others.

And that is the biggest problem to integration. If you cannot get a job, you cannot assimilate. In all the earlier ages of France, both the Republic and and Kingdom, there was always work to done and jobs to be had. France was never concerned by immigration overwhelming the country, as for most of history, when the other groups integrated, there was no social safety net. In France before the post-war period, those who did not work often literally starved. America was in many senses more generous and socially protected than France was, because of the overlap of charitable religious societies. To be poor in America only very rarely meant to be truly hungry. In France, until the 1960s, poverty often meant starvation. "Laissez-faire, laissez-allez" as an economic AND SOCIAL principle, only began to be seriously altered in France in the 1960s.

So, now you have the new arrivals and their children, the Beurs, who do not have access to jobs, because the economy doesn't create them. This is destined to leave them permanently unassimilated.

Unfortunately, changing the rigid labor laws of France is about as politically possible as changing the gun laws in America.

Which means that all one can do is to seek to maintain the calm by half-measures, and to suppress the violent.

Without a shift in labor law, France cannot truly heal.


9 posted on 11/18/2005 11:12:51 AM PST by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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