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To: Just mythoughts
Now Moses penned Genesis, have you read what Christ had to say about Moses???

I frankly do not believe in any doctrine such as "plenary verbal inspiration" that holds that the Bible is free of error. I do not base my Christian faith on this doctrine. I base my Christian faith on what we do know about the history of the Church and its origin, what we do know about what Christ taught and did, and on what God has done in my own life and the lives of people I know. (I am an Episcopalian; we acknowledge the authority of the scriptures but we do not hold them over reason and tradition.)

I do not hold to the doctrine of Biblical inerrancy in part because we do not know who wrote many books of the Bible, including the New Testament (e.g., Hebrews). Who declared or decided which books are in the canon? The early Church argued, indeed people still argue, as to whether Revelation should be in the canon. People who believe that book is inspired still argue exactly when it was written -- in the 60s, in which case its prophecies were fulfilled by the destruction of the Temple and its system of worship; or in the 90s, to buttress a case that Revelation consists of prophecies as yet unfulfilled. Thus, how can we be certain of its reliability?

Nor do I hold that Jesus himself was omniscient while he completed his ministry on Earth. Jesus may well have shared the beliefs of his contemporaries about the authorship of the Torah, even those these beliefs were mistaken. You may find this suggestion outrageous, but please consider: Would you have been able to ask Jesus questions about quantum mechanics or molecular biology? Did Jesus possess that kind of supernatural knowledge? Evangelicals frequently brush up against the heresy of docetism, as well as bibliolatry: docetism is the doctrine that Jesus was God but not man. Of course, Evangelicals do teach Jesus was fully human as well as fully God. But a Jesus who had supernatural knowledge of all things, including who wrote the Torah, or scientific knowledge of quantum mechanics or the like, or what was happening on Neptune's moon Triton that day -- that's not a Jesus who is fully human, that's a Jesus who is God in a human suit.

So when Jesus spoke of the Flood and of Moses, we cannot conclude the Flood actually happened. (The geological evidence is emphatic: there was no global flood. Also, the chronology of Genesis would put the flood about the time of the construction of the great pyramids of Egypt. We possess written records from Egypt. No one made note of such an event.) Instead, Jesus was using a familiar story to drive home an important -- and true -- point, that his generation was in peril, that destruction would come upon them suddenly. (And, he was right: the temple worship system as well as their nation were soon destroyed.)

83 posted on 11/18/2005 8:40:49 AM PST by megatherium (Hecho in China)
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To: megatherium
I believe you are free to believe whatever you choose to believe.

I also believe there is a reason why in the "OLD" and the "NEW" there are two places written what would happen to those who add and take away from the WORD.

I believe the evidence is weighted that Paul authored Hebrews. I have no knowledge if that original writing survived to this day and if so who has it hidden away.

Christ was to be the perfect last required blood sacrifice and He has whatever knowledge given to him to pass through this flesh age to be that perfect last blood sacrifice.

I had never really considered anyone having the knowledge base during Christ's time to ask Him about quantum mechanics or molecular biology.

However, Christ explaining the requirement of each to be "born again" (born from above) did seem to cause confusion to the man who asked about it. That display upon the mount of transfiguration with Moses and Elijah seemed to be a shocking experience for his disciples. Christ going through that wall was visible for those who were there to see. So I would not consider it out of the realm of possibility Christ could easily answer your questions.

Genesis is focused upon this flesh age yet declaring events outside of the beginning of human flesh age. As we are NOT told about the creation of the devil before he rebelled, nor when each and every soul was created within Genesis. Peter refers to a time (age) that WAS, NOW and WILL BE.

I do not believe that there is NO conclusive evidence there was never a global flood. I believe that Noah's flood happened, however, given what we are told the purpose of the flood was specific to specific peoples for their destruction would indicate to me a specific geographic location.

Christ said He became the Temple and with His death the Temple, Him, was rebuilt in the Spiritual. No longer was it about a building, and Christ said not a stone would lay atop another and that has not happened yet.
193 posted on 11/18/2005 3:35:25 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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