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To: neverdem
Whoa, whoa. whoa.

12 Japanese children out of 24 million total who were in Japan is equal to

That does not in any way state that 24 million were taking Tamiflu.

When did you start swallowing MSM swill without questioning the methodology?

How many Japanese children were actually ingesting Tamiflu, and how many who were not died of the flu?

How many American children who were inoculated with the polio vaccine came down with serious side effects vs how many who were not died of polio?

Look, the vaccines and other pro-actives have caused more side effects and deaths in this country than most of those diseases themselves, period.

If you don't agree, inject your own kids.

And this government has decreed that these substances must be injected into your children on a regular basis or they cant even go to school.

Tamiflu and any other anti bird flu may well be next.
I don't expect anyone to remember Ford's Swine Flu fiasco.

9 posted on 11/18/2005 5:33:04 PM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: bill1952
That does not in any way state that 24 million were taking Tamiflu.

"Roche said the high number of deaths and adverse neuropsychiatric events in Japan was also due to the fact that two of three people taking Tamiflu are in Japan. Of 32 million people treated with Tamiflu since its approval in 1999, 24 million were in Japan."(3rd paragraph from the end of the NY Times story quoting Roche)

Roche is supposed to have claimed two of three people taking Tamiflu are in Japan. Two thirds of 32 million is slightly less than 22 million. I used the 24 million number given in the story just for the convenience for the 1:2000000 ratio. Whether it's two thirds or three quarters, it makes little difference when it may happen once out of more than millions.

When did you start swallowing MSM swill without questioning the methodology?

When they're quoting the FDA, and I link the FDA statements, I think it's OK.

How many Japanese children were actually ingesting Tamiflu, and how many who were not died of the flu?

I have no idea about the former, but I would guess at least a thousand per year for the latter, considering Japan's total population is about 125,000,000, and assuming they have a rate similar to our's, i.e. 1 per 8,333 of the total population, and that the younger and older segments of the population have the typically worse prognosis.

How many American children who were inoculated with the polio vaccine came down with serious side effects vs how many who were not died of polio?

None with the Salk vaccine which is the only one used now, unless there is the rare allergic reaction. The oral Sabin vaccine which used a live, attenuated virus is no longer used in this country.

Look, the vaccines and other pro-actives have caused more side effects and deaths in this country than most of those diseases themselves, period.

Do you have any links to substantiate that assertion?

If you don't agree, inject your own kids.

Tamiflu is not injected. It is not a recommended vaccine. Tamiflu is a treatment that is supposed to be started within 48 hours of the onset of suspected flu symptoms. If I had kids, I can and would give recommended vaccines to them myself if there were no contraindications.

Did you look at the links in comments 5 & 8?

11 posted on 11/18/2005 10:15:31 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: bill1952; All
3rd paragraph from the end of the NY Times story quoting Roche

I should have written: "3rd paragraph from the end of the story that started this thread quoting Roche"

12 posted on 11/18/2005 10:26:00 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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