Other articles with keyword "DOGGIEPING" since 12/29/04
Posted on 11/17/2005 7:33:51 AM PST by ZULU
Check it out. Their bills are posted on the internet so we can all laugh.
Do you think they really care about the level of education provided to Rover, or do you think they view this as just another oppotunity to reach into some businessman's pocket and steal his money??
New Jersey is a perfect (basket) case of what we can expcet if the liberal lunatics from New York take the entire country over.
Who is going to write the test? I used to train dogs for people. There are a zillion different methods out there, and many of them work. Who is the arbiter of which is correct? We dog people argue among ourselves all the time.
This is typical government silliness. And, I don't even think you really need a HS diploma or GED to be a wonderful dog trainer.
Of course, there seems to be a rash of pet related bills going on. PAWS for instance.
susie
it seems these assmblymen needed to create another board because they are over stocked with cronies that are waiting to be appointed to something
My guess, Susie, is that the people in Trenton are only interetedin another revenue source. The even require interior decorators to have a special state license over there. Eventually, a garbage collector in New Jersey will need a special "Santiation Worker's Permit" issued by the state board of health and complete a special course in driving a garbage truck and picking up garbage cans - along with a fee to the state for the license of course.
Its getting as bad a France before the French Revolution over there. But even the French have more guts than the average New Jerseyite. They just paying Trenton whatever they ask for, and keep voting the same crooks back into office.
They get their homeowners rebate just before the election there and joyously go out and re-elect the crooks in office who were using the money the voter should have had in THEIR bank account, drwaing interest, in the first place.
New Jersey is The Twilight Zone of America.
The sheep/peones/vassals must not have weapons or trained protection dogs.
The State/King feels threatend
That's probably right on. However, the AR folks are sponsoring a raft of Pet legislation right now. I only know because it's something I keep up with via all of my dog related lists.
susie
Hey. I missed that one. You're right. They can reward their cronies with political appointments. If they do a good job overseeing dog licenses, maybe they move on to a cushy, well-paid, practically no show slot on the Casino Control Commission, State Parole Board, Turnpike Authory, or some similar body - and get a handsome pension in the process!!
Isn't government wonderful in New Jersey?
You are quite right. I have trained dogs and my father was a dog trainer with international renoun. Every dog is different and some require dramatically different methods than others.
Another issue is the content tested by the board exam. Is it specific to simple obedience / pet quality type training? What about dog trainers for police forces or for entertainment venues? What about more advanced training like tracking, open, or utility? What about manwork? How would this affect dog clubs that have classes where they essentially teach you to train your dog?
What I'd be more worried about is the animal rights activists (one position required on the board) that will force positive reinforment techniques to the point where they become silly. It will be training the PETA way or no trianing at all. Prong collars and choke chains are prime examples of controversial training tools that do have a place if used properly.
I see a New Jersey with a lot fewer trained dogs and a lot more out of control ones.
Isn't it strange that the same people who agonize over failing students in academic courses want to pass laws preventing them from earning an honest living in fields where academic training is irrelevant.
All excellent points. I have a deep distrust of the AR people, so I expect they are neck deep in this. After all, Ingrid Newkirk's goal is for animals to be enjoyed at a distance. Not as pets (slaves).
susie
How do I get on your doggie ping list??
I can't beleive I've never noticed it before!
susie
Well at this point they're grandfathering in all dog trainers who have been training dogs for at least a year without any competency test.
Honestly, if written by dog people, I'd love to weed out the stupid clicker-trainer people who are experienced training shelties and golden retrievers for AKC obedience and so put up a shingle calling themselves a dog trainer.
They don't have a clue how to handle a dog who actually needs trained, or has a difficult behavior problem... I've seen it.
Heh... oh well.
It hasn't been a secret! But I'll put you on now :~D
Cal - NJ & animals ping
Ya need a license to train dogs, but not make babies. Hmmm.
Cat trainers, however, remain unlicensed.
Hmm...I trained golden retrievers for the most part (that's what I raise/show). I always turned away dogs with aggression problems, for instance, because it wasn't something I felt comfortable handling.
I also stopped training (professionally) about the time clickers came into vogue, so I can't say if I would have liked or used it. However, the principal is sound (insofar as I understand it--I have never gone to a seminar on it tho).
But, you just underlined my point. There are alot of different ideas about what works, and it depends on the dog and the particular problem you're dealing with. Who decides? Better to let the market decide (in my opinion). Things that don't work will be cast into the dustbin (for the most part).
susie
Thank you!
susie
That would be good area for liscencing - animal behaviorist, but not a simple trainer. I've fostered animals that had degrees of behavior issues that a lot of quacks would anthopomorphize. And too many AR types do just that - assign complicated human thought processes onto animals. The big problem with liscencing is that politics takes over. The training will have to follow how the political wind blows. Look what's happened to psychology and psychiatry and the reworking of definitions to suit political goals. Homosexuality was removed as a mental disorder. There is even a movement to make pedophelia a sexual orientation (whci would carry civil rights protections), thereby giving legitimacy to child molestors, and possibly even legal protection from prosecution.
I actually have all the docs that this one birthed from. My forum was hacked last night though and I have to get it restored first before I can add the info here.
Thanks for the ping!
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