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Confusion greets drug-plan sign-up; Legislators, consumer groups balk at Medicare Part D
MarketWatch.com (by Dow Jones) ^ | 11/15/2005 | Kristen Gerencher

Posted on 11/16/2005 7:50:43 PM PST by SierraWasp

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To: SierraWasp

It is a federal fuster cluck that is going to cost a fortune. Should anyone be surprised?


21 posted on 11/16/2005 8:19:41 PM PST by Moonman62 (Federal creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it)
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To: Kay

If people opted not to join in mass, I could learn to love the plan.


22 posted on 11/16/2005 8:19:48 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne
But... But... But... D-1!!!

This is the thing that won the last Presidential election for the nation's Grand Old Party!!!

You better be more careful about makin those disapproving comments in the face of all the political and conventional wisdom contained within this fabulous website, don'tchew think???

23 posted on 11/16/2005 8:20:23 PM PST by SierraWasp (The only thing that can save CA is making eastern CA the 51st state called Sierra Republic!!!)
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To: Moonman62
"It is a federal fuster cluck"

I cain't stop laffin an gaspin fer breath!!!

24 posted on 11/16/2005 8:25:14 PM PST by SierraWasp (The only thing that can save CA is making eastern CA the 51st state called Sierra Republic!!!)
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To: SierraWasp

This is just the beginning of another disaster of social policy -- this time courtesy of the wimpish Bush-era Republicans energetically lining up to kiss socialist arse. The logical extreme (reductio ad absurdum) of such Federal entitlement programs must of course lead to spoon-feeding of the useless eaters.


25 posted on 11/16/2005 8:28:07 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (De gustibus non est disputandum.)
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To: SierraWasp
"This is the thing that won the last Presidential election for the nation's Grand Old Party!!!"

It's one of the worst things the one world socialist has pushed for.

I held my nose when I cast my vote for him.

Compassionate conservative is just a fancy way of saying i'm a socialist.

Compassion to me is telling some useless eater to get off his dead ass and work for a living.
26 posted on 11/16/2005 8:30:17 PM PST by dalereed
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To: SierraWasp

I don't believe that this was a Republican plan - it was a rehash of the Democrats plan - or the bureaucracy and staff of the Democrats - with a little bit of extra for the masses and the drug companies.

I did not want a Medicare "formulary" like the VA has, but I think it would have been better than what we're ending up with.

It seems that the prescriptions have to be sent electronically to the pharmacies. Rural docs and mom and pop pharmacies are going to be stressed. And then, there's the first dollar coverage problem: it covers everyone from the beginning - then cuts off when the patient needs to spend a lot on drugs. Then kicks in after quite a bit of out-of-pocket expenses.

Once again, everybody gets $1.00, whether they are millionaires or broke. And those with the really big bills will end up indigent and on Medicaid.

The other problem is the burden that will be supposedly on the family doctors. I don't think that most of the docs I know can afford another employee just for Medicare Part D claims.

I hoped for some sort of plan, but it does seem as though they took the worst of all possibilities and only chose those.

The problem is that I don't know if we will learn some valuable lessons from the monstrous disaster that Medicare part D is turning out to be, or if it will just be one more excuse to nationalize healthcare.


27 posted on 11/16/2005 8:30:49 PM PST by hocndoc (http://www.lifeethics.org/www.lifeethics.org/index.html)
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To: SierraWasp
Are there income limits and this means what....The benefit, known as Part D, is set to replace the transitional discount-drug-card program on Jan. 1... that I won't get my discount if I don't sign up?
28 posted on 11/16/2005 8:32:43 PM PST by tubebender (Chris Matthews suffers from "IRRATIONAL EXUBERANCE"...)
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To: Kay
"And I love George Bush and pray for him several times per day!"

Well, as you can see, you better pray a little harder as they are determined to turn everything he did to get re-elected into a bigger and bigger liability to him, politically!

They started hating him for not rolling over for Algore in 2000, but their hate turned white hot when they had to shut up their cresendo of criticism immediately after 9-11 and he used A WAR and the theft of these SOCIAL PROGRAMS to steal governance from them one more time!!!

Look at their faces on TV! They are becoming consumed with hate!! But we may become consumed with these danged programs!!!

29 posted on 11/16/2005 8:34:47 PM PST by SierraWasp (The only thing that can save CA is making eastern CA the 51st state called Sierra Republic!!!)
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To: tubebender

The simple discount program is out the window as of 1-1-06! There will still be discounts (removal of artificial mark-ups) but mainly you'll either have to sign up with a Medicare HMO, buy a prescription insurance from an insurer, or just go naked and take your chances with whatever discount programs, or internet sales, or out of country (Mexico/Canada) purchases... and that' about it!!! (not that there's anything wrong with that)


30 posted on 11/16/2005 8:43:03 PM PST by SierraWasp (The only thing that can save CA is making eastern CA the 51st state called Sierra Republic!!!)
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To: SierraWasp
Volvo drivers from the 70's?

Sorry, I don't get the connection...


31 posted on 11/16/2005 8:45:26 PM PST by lewislynn (Fairtax facts = lies, dreams, hope, wishful thinking and conjecture.)
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To: SierraWasp

Please God tell me there's a way I can stay out of Medicare!


32 posted on 11/16/2005 8:47:22 PM PST by GVnana
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To: lewislynn

There's only 2 kinds of drivers that serew up traffic worse than Volvo drivers and that's drivers of VW busses and illegals without a licence.

Equally bad are drivers blabering on a cell phone.


33 posted on 11/16/2005 8:50:55 PM PST by dalereed
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To: SierraWasp

I thought we should have gone into Iraq. Since then I've tried to remain positive about how the war was conducted. For the most part, I think Bush has done a pretty good job with regard to the war.

As for the rest of Bush's actions, he's blown about ever issue from a true conservative's point of view.

I've said this repeatedly on the forum, and specificly on topic after topic.

I try not to trounce him because that would play into the socialists hands, but it's hard not to.

The guy can't even conceptualize that we shouldn't allow 10,000 Wasabbi adherants from Saudi Arabia to come to the U.S. for schooling.

You haven't seen me address these and other issues on the forum?


34 posted on 11/16/2005 8:52:15 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: GVgirl

That's easy! Move to Borneo!!!


35 posted on 11/16/2005 9:04:26 PM PST by SierraWasp (The only thing that can save CA is making eastern CA the 51st state called Sierra Republic!!!)
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To: DoughtyOne

Nope!


36 posted on 11/16/2005 9:07:59 PM PST by SierraWasp (The only thing that can save CA is making eastern CA the 51st state called Sierra Republic!!!)
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To: dalereed
"Equally bad are drivers blabering on a cell phone."

Especially when they're all woosey from prescription drugs! (grin)

37 posted on 11/16/2005 9:14:09 PM PST by SierraWasp (The only thing that can save CA is making eastern CA the 51st state called Sierra Republic!!!)
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To: dalereed
There's only 2 kinds of drivers that serew up traffic worse than Volvo drivers and that's drivers of VW busses and illegals without a licence.

Equally bad are drivers blabering on a cell phone.

I don't know what language "serew" is.

What about people who drive all the other vehicles you don't approve of, do you hate them too?

38 posted on 11/16/2005 9:32:34 PM PST by lewislynn (Fairtax facts = lies, dreams, hope, wishful thinking and conjecture.)
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To: Kay
According to the HHS guy I saw on the boob tube the other night, if they don't sign up the government will automatically pick a plan for them.
39 posted on 11/17/2005 3:54:25 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: DoughtyOne

Is opting out an option? And even if you want to, will any other insurance you have allow it? Seems to me that other insurers will be only too happy to foist their customers off on Medicare first.


40 posted on 11/17/2005 3:56:14 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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