NY museum says Darwin's theory never more relevant

Reuters - Science ^ | 2005-11-15 | Anna Driver

[Junior]

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1. 2005-11-16 Federal Science-Education Framework Document Contains Scientific Errors
2. 2005-11-16 NY museum says Darwin's theory never more relevant
3. 2005-11-16 Ultra-sensitive microscope reveals DNA processes
4. 2005-11-15 Biologically-Inspired Micro-Robots. Volume 1. Robots Based on Crickets
5. 2005-11-15 Early Humans Settled India Before Europe, Study Suggests
6. 2005-11-15 'Perception' gene tracked humanity's evolution, scientists say [Locked]
7. 2005-11-15 'Perception' gene tracked humanity's evolution, scientists say
8. 2005-11-15 Stanford Scientists' Discovery of Hormone Offers Hope For Obesity Drug
9. 2005-11-15 The Intrinsic Evil of Evolutionary Humanism
10. 2005-11-15 UW professors: Discovering life on other planets unlikely (Barf!)
11. 2005-11-14 A column about Kansas Science Standards
12. 2005-11-14 Darwin And The Origin Of ….The Racist?
13. 2005-11-14 For Republicans, a debate over the party's design
14. 2005-11-14 THE CATHOLIC CHURCH EMBRACES EVOLUTION!!!!
15. 2005-11-13 Intelligent Design Grounded in Science
16. 2005-11-13 Intelligent Design, Part 1
17. 2005-11-13 Pope states the universe is a product of an 'intelligent project'
18. 2005-11-13 Santorum: Don't put intelligent design in classroom
19. 2005-11-13 Vietnam study shows bird flu virus mutating - media
20. 2005-11-12 [Kansas Gov. Kathleen] Sebelius criticizes State Board of Education's move [new science standards]
21. 2005-11-12 ID [Intelligent Design] Opens Astronomer’s Mind to Universe’s Surprises
22. 2005-11-11 A revolution for evolution - Intelligent design must not replace hard science in classrooms.
23. 2005-11-11 Dover results disputed: School board candidate says machine was faulty
24. 2005-11-11 FR Debate: Intelligent Design vs. Birth Defects, Can They Be Reconciled?
25. 2005-11-11 Potential Origins of Europeans Found
26. 2005-11-11 The Real Evil of Evolutionary Humanism
27. 2005-11-10 Culture War Briefing, weekday news guide
28. 2005-11-10 Fossils of fierce-looking dinosaur found in Argentina (Godzilla)
29. 2005-11-10 Is Intelligent Design a Bad Scientific Theory or a Non-Scientific Theory?
30. 2005-11-10 Kansas educators clear way for evolution criticism
31. 2005-11-10 Pat Robertson has a message for Dover, PA: Don't ask God to help.
32. 2005-11-10 Pat Robertson Warns Pa. Town of Disaster
33. 2005-11-10 US states divide over creationism [the view from the UK]
34. 2005-11-10 Why the conspiracy theorizing about theories? (Freeper op-ed)

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CrevoSci Thread Count, 2005 YTD:  1106

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2. 2001-11-16 The Ultimate Creation vs. Evolution Resource [10th Revision]
3. 1999-11-16 The Funeral of a Great Myth ('Popular' Evolutionism)

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• 2002-12-11 Evolution Disclaimer Supported (6,880 replies)

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1. 2005-11-15 'Perception' gene tracked humanity's evolution, scientists say
2. 2004-04-27 Stop Teaching Our Kids this Evolution Claptrap!
3. 2003-10-29 The Mystery of the Missing Links (Intelligent Design vs. Evolution)
4. 2003-10-27 Physics Nobelist Takes Stand on Evolution
5. 2003-10-23 Gene Found for Obsessive Compulsive Disorder
6. 2003-10-21 Artificial Proteins Assembled from Scratch
7. 2003-09-23 Solar System Formation Questions
8. 2003-09-17 Agreement of the Willing - Free Republic Science Threads
9. 2003-07-18 Unlikely Group May Revive Darwin Debate [Evolution v. Creationism]
10. 2003-07-02 Unlocking the Mystery of 'Unlocking the Mystery of Life'
11. 2003-06-26 Darwin Faces a New Rival
12. 2003-06-06 Amazing Creatures
13. 2002-09-13 Oldest Known Penis Is 100 Million Years Old
14. 2002-04-10 (Creationists) CRSC Correction
15. 2001-08-28 The Ultimate Creation vs. Evolution Resource [6th Revision]
16. 2001-08-26 A Scientific Account of the Origin of Life on Earth [Thread I]
17. 2001-01-13 A Christian Understanding of Intelligent Design
18. 2000-10-10 Another Lost Generation?
19. 2000-08-30 Evil-Ution
20. 1999-11-14 Creationism's Success Past 5 Years: (Gallup: 1 in 10 hold secular evolutionist perspective)

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[Junior]

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[rightinthemiddle]

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[Shalom Israel]

Regardless of one's views on the crevo debate, this curator's statement is absurd. It's perfectly possible to understand the mechanics of retroviruses while simultaneously believing that biological evolution doesn't fully explain the origin of species.

[Recovering Ex-hippie]

Excellant post. Catholics--who are very Christian--believe in BOTH evolution and a God.
This whole Intelligent Design thing is nuts!( go ahead and flame me with all the 'scientific" quotes.)why don't we just throw out evolution and take our chances with the Bird Flu? The next thing you know the theory of Germs will be questioned!

[BigFinn]

The question still arises... where did the first atom come from....

[Cicero]

It's the business of the Museum of Natural History to put on exhibits, and there's nothing wrong with a Darwin exhibit.

I have no objection to teaching the General Theory of Evolution in our schools. Indeed, we should.

What I object to is the closed-minded "scientists" who act as if Darwin were God and refuse to permit any questioning of Darwin in our schools. At that point, Darwinism ceases to be a scientific theory and becomes a secular religion. In fact, it becomes an "establishment of religion," because it becomes the official state position with no disagreement permitted.

[so_real]

Regardless of one's views on the crevo debate, this curator's statement is absurd. It's perfectly possible to understand the mechanics of retroviruses while simultaneously believing that biological evolution doesn't fully explain the origin of species.

My sentiments exactly; you beat me to the post. The curator's statement "Without his [Darwin's] insights, we would fail to appreciate the dangerous potentials of rapid evolution in the avian flu virus," is a slap in the face to all intelligent men and women on both sides of the fence.

[trebb]

Without his insights, we would fail to appreciate the dangerous potentials of rapid evolution in the avian flu virus

So, is the virus becoming something else? Is it evolving or mutating?

I'm a Creationist myself, but it would seem that those that do ascribe to Evolution would be a little more careful about how they use the word, else rotting meat could be deemed to be evolving because it was changing in nature and composition.

[Junior]

What I object to is the closed-minded "scientists" who act as if Darwin were God and refuse to permit any questioning of Darwin in our schools.

Evolution is established science. The place to question it is in the field of research, not in the high school classroom. At the moment, there is nothing in science that even challenges evolution. To teach children otherwise is to lie to them.

Now, if the ID/creationists got off their duffs and actually did research they might have a dog in this hunt.

[Fester Chugabrew]

Don't tell that to the curator. You might burst his booble.

[Junior]

Is it evolving or mutating?

Why do you make a distinction? Evolution == change. That's all. There is no point at which change becomes "evolution." Any change is "evolution."

[<1/1,000,000th%]

Regardless of one's views on the crevo debate, this curator's statement is absurd. It's perfectly possible to understand the mechanics of retroviruses while simultaneously believing that biological evolution doesn't fully explain the origin of species.

If organisms don't evolve, why should we care about bird diseases? There's no threat to us because we're not birds. We're a different "kind".

[Chi-townChief]

Intelligent design and evolution aren't necessarily incompatible - in fact, ID helps in the gaps, missing links if you will.

[Shalom Israel]

If organisms don't evolve, why should we care about bird diseases? There's no threat to us because we're not birds. We're a different "kind".

That's a bad caricature of a creationist--one which accurately reflects the ignorance of some creationists and some evolutionists as well. For example, I can easily produce examples of people who believe in evolution, but would casually suppose that diseases don't jump species.

Better educated creationists have seen enough experiments on drosophilia to know that mutation happens. Thus their stress that they "accept micro-evolution but not macro-evolution." Creationist though they be, they have no difficulty grasping the fact that avian flu is a human health issue.

[Fester Chugabrew]

Half true. Evolution states the obvious insofar as forms of matter change over time and that they are interrelated throughout history. It becomes a philosophy when it attempts, either by comission or omission, to address ultimate causes and origins. As both a science and philosphy it certainly is not worthy of the acclaim heaped upon it by this pompous ideologue who thinks we would never be able to address the bird flu from a medical standpoint without Darwin's theory.

[durasell]

The show chronicling the life of Darwin and his work opens on November 19 at the American Museum of Natural History in New York with original manuscripts, live Galapagos tortoises, orchids, personal effects and fossil specimens Darwin collected during his five-year voyage aboard the HMS Beagle.




Live Galapagos tortoises! I am so going to this!

[trebb]

Why do you make a distinction? Evolution == change. That's all. There is no point at which change becomes "evolution." Any change is "evolution."

The dictionarey says that in biology, to evolve means "To develop or arise through evolutionary processes."

Other entries imply a change for the better. Otherwise, changes could be termed as devolving, if they result in something less-suitable. The distinction must be made to maintain accuracy, otherwise, a "Lewinski" isn't really a sexual act, and rotting meat is in the process of evolving.

[<1/1,000,000th%]

Creationist though they be, they have no difficulty grasping the fact that avian flu is a human health issue.

Then I give you credit for having a more scientific bent then the average creationist. Most would conclude that micro-evolution can't explain an organism changing into another kind of organism, in this case, a bird virus to a human virus.

However, it's still a Darwinian idea, even if you choose not to accept Darwinian evolution.