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To: ExcursionGuy84
Call me cynical...bu...I've just got this feeling....that...Some rats in our nest (the U.S.A.) are tipping off/giving al-Zarqawi a leg up...somehow.

Not cynical, smart. We know he's got the Iraqi police, military and Green Zone well-infiltrated. We use Iraqi interpreters everywhere we go. Therefore, Zarqawi practically knows our every move before we make it. It's dumb, dumb, dumb, imo.

I don't remember Patton and his men employing thousands and thousands of Krauts and Frenchmen as they advanced toward and through the Rhineland. Indeed, Iraq was pretty much of a cakewalk until we began employing Iraqis to help us. Our military does best when it's completely self-sufficient and not dependent on help from the natives. It's one of the things that's bothered the heck out of me since Korea.

20 posted on 11/16/2005 10:27:51 AM PST by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker
Not cynical, smart.

Thanks very much, LibWhacker. And Your Analysis is got to be spot-on.

And I guess that, in the current IRAQ, trust takes time to build & to really earn the Full trust of the GOOD Iraqi's

Basically, Our Intel over there is startin' from scratch.

25 posted on 11/16/2005 11:21:38 AM PST by ExcursionGuy84 ("Jesus, Your Love takes my breath away.")
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To: LibWhacker
Therefore, Zarqawi practically knows our every move before we make it. It's dumb, dumb, dumb, imo.

Not the case at all -

Zarqawi is simply working within a structure which moves within our OODA loop - He has no "inside word" regarding our tactical moves or Ops - He simply is operating within a time frame that is quicker then our current OODA loop allows for -

Additionally, those specific units we have working the Zarqawi hunt do not use any of the Iraqi assets and personnel you mentioned (Iraqi police units, Green zone personal, etc).

Furthermore working with the Iraqi people is a must. It is essential to our goals in Iraq. Trying to compare the current GWOT with that of WWII is faulty for too many reasons then I have time currently to list (and remember we lost well over 400,000 KIA men in WWII).

Many ex-generals or even ex-war pundits make the mistake of "always trying to fight / win the last war", "not the current one". The situations between the current GWOT (which not only includes Iraq, but in which Iraq is essential to) and wars of the past, there are very few workable parallels.

28 posted on 11/16/2005 2:16:13 PM PST by SevenMinusOne
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