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To: expat_panama
Thank you.

Concerning the judges: I don't see them as infallible. They can be as corrupt as any gangster. So the fact that they don't have a problem with something means nothing.

Let's be a little more accurate. Buying gold from a dealer is not redemption any more than buying a coat from a store is redemption. In order for there to be a true redemption, you need a claim check for a specific item such as the coat on rack 22, or twenty dollars in gold coin payable on demand to bearer. Big big difference.

I see your inflation chart and concede that the large amplitude graph until 1950 shows painful inflations and deflations which appear to average zero. Then after 1950 except for the inflation of the '70s, there appears to be a +6% average inflation rate. It's a tradeoff, one set of problems for another. We don't have to suffer the pain of deflations anymore but then we do have to deal with persistent inflation that is never corrected.

Regarding the inflations and deflations, why so much inflation, the deflation? Because even under a gold standard so called, banks found ways to proliferate paper in excess of deposit of metal. Nicholas Biddle was infamous during the Jackson administration for repeatedly extending credit, then calling it back in, deliberately to make a mess of the economy hoping people would blame Jackson for their suffering. They didn't. Jackson won a second term and stopped the 2nd Bank of the US. Prior to 1929, the Federal Reserve was already in business flooding the economy with paper money that went into the stock market. So, bankers not content to follow the law are to blame for those inflations and deflations, not the gold standard.

An example of an inflation that could be blamed on gold was the one that happened in Spain after gold was looted from the South Amer Indians; Silver after the Franco Prussian war, Germany dumped Silver and established a gold standard with gold that previously belonged to the French.

America was never as strong or wealthy....I credit technology and liberty with these developments, not the advent of the Federal Reserve. If anything, we have prospered in spite of it. What about now? China is growing stronger, are we? As our factories are shuttered are laid off factory workers creating enough new wealth to more than make up for the lost business to China?

A sense of responsibility.....what could be more irresponsible, more immoral, more wrong, more unlawful, than robbing creditors and bestowing favors on debtors by brute force of government? Governement is the biggest debtor of all. To the contrary, the epitome of responsibility is to pay just debts in full with full value; this can only be done with gold, perhaps imperfectly at times, but it is as close to perfection as one can hope to be. Inherent in the tendering of paper is the near certainty that the purchasing power value tendered, regardless of face value, dollar for dollar, is not equal to the purchasing power value specified by contract.

I disagree with your opinion, respectfully, that it was the gold standard itself that caused the suffering to which you refer. I offer instead that the suffering was caused by the titanic battles over control of the economy between the friends of paper money and the hard money advocates, and that the unfortunate victims were caught in the middle.

Respectfully.

144 posted on 11/18/2005 2:38:53 PM PST by Jason_b
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To: Jason_b
Amazing-- we disagree but we're not questioning each others' manhood.  Weird.  But good..

Let's use use actual observations to build understanding of commerce on a good moral foundation.  

moral foundation   Let's agree that Good is absolute and it requires honor and forbids stealing or lying.   This has to mean that the world is good, humanity is good, America is a force for good, and America's legal and financial system is the best in the world.   This is proved by the fact that a dishonest judge or banker stands out in sharp contrast to thousands of their peers.   Even though it's wrong for us to malign these people as a whole, we'll agree that they're human, so I suppose that nine out of ten bad things that they (and we) do, have to be because of stupidity and not misfeasance.  This is both good news (we really do mean well) and bad news (sin can be forgiven but stupid is forever). 

Most judges think the US Constitution says gold is optional.   If you disagree then you'll either need to get a clarifying amendment passed or you'll have to cope with the consensus.  These guys are trying to be fair; it's wrong to say they're "corrupt as any gangster".  

In contrast, gold is not morally good or bad; neither is silver, iron, carbon, or iridium --only inasmuch and it helps or hinders us in doing good things like being honest and feeding our families.

Let's observe together that the "gold standard" was lots things --from the '20's when we had "gold" written on our money to the 70's when the BrettonWoods international gold standard was dumped and gold got put on the open market along with lithium, sulphur, and chlorine.  Let's decide whether this change helped or hindered us in being honest and more able to feed our families.

understanding of commerce   Over the course of this change, the percentage of Americans with jobs increased by 50%, each of these worker's earnings has increase five fold, and business cycles are not nearly the hellacious chaos they once were.

Maybe you don't believe that changing the money made the improvement; but you've at least got to accept the fact that it sure as hell didn't hurt.  Most people who serve humanity by working with money (hey, like somebody's got to do it) say that tying the value of the dollar to gold made it hard for them to keep people employed.  On the day in 1933 when Roosevelt took executive action in dropping gold, the stock market shot up ten percent, and the next day another six.  

It's wrong to say that our inflation is a six percent problem --if you look closer, it's more like a two percent average.  But what of it?  Inflation is like gold, it's only good or bad as it affects our ability to be honest (what, you say you didn't know we have inflation?) and to feed our families (people don't starve now like they did in the '30's).

It is not honest to say that America's factories have closed.   It's not true to say that people's savings are at greater risk now than they were in 1922.  China has a primitive economy and I wish them well.  They appear to be following Russia by learning about commerce the hard way.  Americans seem to be a bit smarter than that.

145 posted on 11/19/2005 6:19:14 PM PST by expat_panama
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