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Cops and Harm Reduction Hotties, Oh My!
In These Times ^ | November 14, 2005 | Silja J.A. Talvi

Posted on 11/16/2005 8:24:04 AM PST by JTN

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“We lied regularly about the numbers of drugs we were seizing,” Cole said, explaining that if his fellow officers were lucky enough to bust someone for one ounce of cocaine, they’d immediately look for a cutting agent to double the amount of the seizure. And if a seizure’s street value stood at $1,500, the cops would bump it up to $20,000. “Who’s to question it,” Cole asked.

The government lying about drugs? The hell you say!

1 posted on 11/16/2005 8:24:07 AM PST by JTN
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To: freepatriot32

Ping


2 posted on 11/16/2005 8:24:30 AM PST by JTN ("We must win the War on Drugs by 2003." - Dennis Hastert, Feb. 25 1999)
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To: JTN

An ideologue committed to the legalization of hard drugs would never lie himself, of course. Everything he says must be taken as gospel truth.


3 posted on 11/16/2005 8:29:42 AM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: JTN

LEAP can go take a leap!


4 posted on 11/16/2005 8:30:38 AM PST by apackof2 (There are 2 theories to arguing with a woman... neither works. Will Rogers)
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To: JTN
The government lying about drugs? The hell you say!

LOL!

There is no depth of corruption that will not be plumbed by those determined to make an unearned living.

5 posted on 11/16/2005 8:33:34 AM PST by headsonpikes (The Liberal Party of Canada are not b*stards - b*stards have mothers!)
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To: JTN

China has a legal opium trade for about 100 years.

In order to save their country, China had to enact prohibition.

Legalizing drugs is not the panacea these people want to believe it is.

It will only shift the problem into new arenas and transfer resources to cope with new problems.

Is it better to let people destroy their lives and livelyhood by legalizing drugs? Is it better to enforce restrictions to stop problems from arising? In the end, it may be zero sum.

Amsterdam tried liberal drug zones and they quickly found they needed to be more tightly controlled and regulated.


6 posted on 11/16/2005 8:37:30 AM PST by twas
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“Building a movement with integrity has to be about more than weed,” says Dorsey Nunn during the conference’s only session by and about the formerly incarcerated.

Nope, it doesn't. Weed is consumed in it's natural form. That is my, and others, number one gripe about it being illegal. I do not think the government has or should have the power to outlaw a naturally occurring plant. I don't smoke it, but that's not the point. To me it's an abuse of governemnt power to outlaw sticking a seed in the dirt.


7 posted on 11/16/2005 8:42:00 AM PST by L98Fiero
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To: twas
China has a legal opium trade for about 100 years. In order to save their country, China had to enact prohibition.

The fact that they had it for 100 years and are still around tells me that they didn't need to prohibit in order to "save their country."

Legalizing drugs is not the panacea these people want to believe it is. It will only shift the problem into new arenas and transfer resources to cope with new problems.

You're being awfully vague here. Could you tell me what you mean by "new problems?" They probably aren't nearly as big of a threat as you think they are.

Amsterdam tried liberal drug zones and they quickly found they needed to be more tightly controlled and regulated.

Amsterdam still has both much less drug use and much less violent crime than the US. This doesn't necessarily mean that drug legalization would lead to both, but it does show that you can have legalized marijuana and the place won't go directly to hell.

8 posted on 11/16/2005 8:44:53 AM PST by JTN ("We must win the War on Drugs by 2003." - Dennis Hastert, Feb. 25 1999)
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To: L98Fiero
To me it's an abuse of governemnt power to outlaw sticking a seed in the dirt.

I wish the government had outlawed sticking Kudzu seeds in the dirt ...

9 posted on 11/16/2005 8:45:28 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: JTN

then go live in amsterdam


10 posted on 11/16/2005 8:47:38 AM PST by jneesy (certified southern right wing hillbilly nutjob)
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To: ArrogantBustard

"I wish the government had outlawed sticking Kudzu seeds in the dirt ..."

LOL! I don't know where you live but it is on everything here. It does help prevent errosion of the bluffs. That stuff will kill trees like mad, though.


11 posted on 11/16/2005 8:49:58 AM PST by L98Fiero
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To: headsonpikes; FreePatriot
Forgot to post this link to the Hotties of Harm Reduction website. I couldn't get it to come up though.

I did find this on another website:


12 posted on 11/16/2005 8:50:01 AM PST by JTN ("We must win the War on Drugs by 2003." - Dennis Hastert, Feb. 25 1999)
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To: jneesy
then go live in amsterdam

Go to Singapore.

13 posted on 11/16/2005 8:51:52 AM PST by JTN ("We must win the War on Drugs by 2003." - Dennis Hastert, Feb. 25 1999)
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To: L98Fiero
I don't know where you live

Virginia ... "The Vine that Ate the South" isn't as bad here as in the true Deep South, but it's still present and obnoxious. We have something remotely resembling Winter, here, which may keep it under control.

14 posted on 11/16/2005 8:53:50 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: twas
In order to save their country, China had to enact prohibition.

No, China executed addicts. Thats about the only way we can win this "war" against drugs. We tried prohibition once too, you might have heaqrd about it. The only lasting legacy of that was the growth of organized crime.
15 posted on 11/16/2005 8:55:08 AM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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"Jones said that he was particularly troubled to see ever-increasing numbers of African American men being locked up, often on drug-related offenses."

The WOD is a tool of racists used to thin the voting rolls via felony possession charges and the subsequent loss of voting rights.
The WOD allows the planting of evidence and word of the planter to send
anyone to prison that they judge themselves. Thereby, the WOD is a means
to circumvent justice for those most capable and perversely dedicated to
conducting their own personal crusades.


16 posted on 11/16/2005 9:08:05 AM PST by PaxMacian (Gen. 1:29)
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The WOD is a tool of racists used to thin the voting rolls via felony possession charges and the subsequent loss of voting rights. The WOD allows the planting of evidence and word of the planter to send anyone to prison that they judge themselves. Thereby, the WOD is a means to circumvent justice for those most capable and perversely dedicated to conducting their own personal crusades.

So - you're saying that the police smuggle cocaine and heroin into the country for the sole purpose of planting it on black men to deny them the right to vote?

17 posted on 11/16/2005 9:18:48 AM PST by mbynack
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To: Kozak; JTN

Recreational drug use was so prevalent in China that in order to save the nation from economic bankrupsy, it was outlawed by imperial edict.

Did is stop opium abuse 100%. No. But it did get China back on track to become a world power. Recreational drug use is a drag on any economy.

The only reason the Amsterdam drug policy appears to work is BECAUSE it is tightly regulated and restricted.

In the last 5 years, Amsterdam, far from basking in the success of legal drugs use, has actually increased laws and restrictions.

They have stopped the expansion of drug zones. They have restricted the number of shops. And most importantly, the have given neighboring communities greater power to have troublesome shops and areas shut down.

Amsterdam in no way can be seen as a success other than on the smallest (and highly regulated) of scales. Such “success” can not be extrapolated to a greater populated area. To expand access to drugs, any nation would be committing suicide.


18 posted on 11/16/2005 9:18:59 AM PST by twas
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To: PaxMacian

step away from the crack pipe.


19 posted on 11/16/2005 9:23:35 AM PST by Sisku Hanne (The Old Media, Democrat party & the Left are grim MILLSTONES for our troops)
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To: PaxMacian

Wow. You are out of your flipping mind.


20 posted on 11/16/2005 9:23:39 AM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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