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To: conservativecorner
The instances of suspicious weapons activity he cites are problematic. While he can make unverified claims of all sorts, some of the activities he describes should be supportable with current testing. For instance, in the underground bunker where he *assumes* nuclear research was being conducted, enough to cause a technician to get sick from one day's exposure, there would certainly be residual radiation. So the question becomes why aren't we finding these reports of work areas with dangerously high radioactivity? If there were toxic chemicals present for chemical warfare, there would also be traces of it. If the chambers in which the work was done were demolished, we could excavate them and test the rubble for such evidence.

I'm sure he's sincere. But I question why we aren't finding indeliable scientific evidence of the WMD research he's describing here.
7 posted on 11/16/2005 6:20:25 AM PST by George W. Bush
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To: George W. Bush
And I'm wondering why I wasted sooooooo much time on you yesterday. I'm not going to post any more responses to you. Clearly, you have an agenda on this site, and I can't waste time on folks like you who aren't sincere about finding those weapons or in even recognizing what has been found to date. To repeat, time is an issue for all of us, and you are a waste of my precious time. Got it?
14 posted on 11/16/2005 6:38:58 AM PST by conservativecorner
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To: George W. Bush

Because if we say we found it then we would be asked who provided it to the Iraqis and that could cause a very big problem in international relations.For instance, if we said we found chemical biological or nuclear weapons and it was proven another country provided them or helped in the manufacture it could lead to name calling, finger pointing and possible world war. I think before we invaded we told russia to go in and retrieve those weapons cuz if Saddam used them on our invading forces we would expose them, the Russians as the culprits.World diplomacy is no easy matter.


15 posted on 11/16/2005 6:40:16 AM PST by eastforker (Under Cover FReeper going dark(too much 24))
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To: George W. Bush
One other item from yesterday. Here is your first post to me. I have highlighted the section that deals with items found. I and others have provided proof of the existence of WMD in Iraq, yet you refuse to acknowledge these facts. I can't have a discussion with someone who continually moves the goal posts. Have a nice life.

"If this is the vaunted WMD proof, I think it's time to give up."

"Why do right-wing news sources continue to claim WMD when the Bush administration has disavowed such claims? How exactly do website operators get so much intel?"

"Just produce a thimble of sarin, a vial of anthrax, a marble of weapons-grade uranium, then we'll have something to talk about."

26 posted on 11/16/2005 7:00:05 AM PST by conservativecorner
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To: George W. Bush
Aren't you being just slightly disingenouous? I mean if Hussein didn't have stockpiles of wmds, why were all those weapons inspectors there in the first place? I find it difficult to believe that (1) Hussein had no large stores of wmds and was not close to developing nukes and (2) people who believe he wasn't interested in doing those things. Even people like Hans Blix have noted Hussein's past wmd weapons programs. They just thought that containing him through further inspections was preferable to war.

Another question to ask yourself is do you believe someone like Tierney is telling the truth or just trying to placate us Free Republic warmongers? I would think that any nonpartisan student of Hussein over his horrible tenure in Iraq would agree that (1) he had and used wmds and (2) that being the case, he would develop and use them again if had the chance. Remember we're talking about a man who tried to have a president of the U.S. assassinated. Why is it so hard for many people to connect the dots and assume the worst about Hussein? I felt that Hussein would eventually have to be taken out fourteen years ago when I was still a Dem. I still haven't changed my mind.

29 posted on 11/16/2005 7:03:43 AM PST by driftless ( For life-long happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: George W. Bush
For instance, in the underground bunker where he *assumes* nuclear research was being conducted, enough to cause a technician to get sick from one day's exposure, there would certainly be residual radiation.

Um...do you have a remote grasp of Radioactive Chemistry? The soldier's exposure might not have been contact, but energy (Gamma ray).

This isn't MST3K when they had the AWESOME phrases from the Gamera episode...

(Scientists)"Don't go in there, there's Radiation!"
(Tom Servo)"And as everyone knows, it can only affect you if you touch it!"

Unless the radioactive elements actually escaped and physically touched surfaces, there would be NO contamination...contrary to popular myth, radioactive spills CAN be cleaned (google the word "DuPont Count Off") the only POSSIBLE remaining sign would be the effects on materials by radioactive energy bombardment...but the IAEA is run by an Islamazi, and I'm sure Saddam's scientists either removed or repaired over any damage areas.

Seriously, if the "lab" was self-contained"...only the lab would have evidence...outside of power/water/ventillation connections that a trained eye might be able to observe and connect to...but I have serious doubts the IAEA was interested in anything more than a Joe Wilson sweet tea party.

51 posted on 11/16/2005 8:54:21 AM PST by Itzlzha ("The avalanche has already started...it is too late for the pebbles to vote")
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To: George W. Bush
From David Kay:

What have we found and what have we not found in the first 3 months of our work?

We have discovered dozens of WMD-related program activities and significant amounts of equipment that Iraq concealed from the United Nations during the inspections that began in late 2002. The discovery of these deliberate concealment efforts have come about both through the admissions of Iraqi scientists and officials concerning information they deliberately withheld and through physical evidence of equipment and activities that ISG has discovered that should have been declared to the UN. Let me just give you a few examples of these concealment efforts, some of which I will elaborate on later:

A clandestine network of laboratories and safehouses within the Iraqi Intelligence Service that contained equipment subject to UN monitoring and suitable for continuing CBW research.

A prison laboratory complex, possibly used in human testing of BW agents, that Iraqi officials working to prepare for UN inspections were explicitly ordered not to declare to the UN.

Reference strains of biological organisms concealed in a scientist's home, one of which can be used to produce biological weapons.

New research on BW-applicable agents, Brucella and Congo Crimean Hemorrhagic Fever (CCHF), and continuing work on ricin and aflatoxin were not declared to the UN.

Documents and equipment, hidden in scientists' homes, that would have been useful in resuming uranium enrichment by centrifuge and electromagnetic isotope separation (EMIS).

A line of UAVs not fully declared at an undeclared production facility and an admission that they had tested one of their declared UAVs out to a range of 500 km, 350 km beyond the permissible limit.

Continuing covert capability to manufacture fuel propellant useful only for prohibited SCUD variant missiles, a capability that was maintained at least until the end of 2001 and that cooperating Iraqi scientists have said they were told to conceal from the UN.

Plans and advanced design work for new long-range missiles with ranges up to at least 1000 km - well beyond the 150 km range limit imposed by the UN. Missiles of a 1000 km range would have allowed Iraq to threaten targets through out the Middle East, including Ankara, Cairo, and Abu Dhabi.

Clandestine attempts between late-1999 and 2002 to obtain from North Korea technology related to 1,300 km range ballistic missiles --probably the No Dong -- 300 km range anti-ship cruise missiles, and other prohibited military equipment.

In addition to the discovery of extensive concealment efforts, we have been faced with a systematic sanitization of documentary and computer evidence in a wide range of offices, laboratories, and companies suspected of WMD work. The pattern of these efforts to erase evidence - hard drives destroyed, specific files burned, equipment cleaned of all traces of use - are ones of deliberate, rather than random, acts. For example,
On 10 July 2003 an ISG team exploited the Revolutionary Command Council (RCC) Headquarters in Baghdad. The basement of the main building contained an archive of documents situated on well-organized rows of metal shelving. The basement suffered no fire damage despite the total destruction of the upper floors from coalition air strikes. Upon arrival the exploitation team encountered small piles of ash where individual documents or binders of documents were intentionally destroyed. Computer hard drives had been deliberately destroyed. Computers would have had financial value to a random looter; their destruction, rather than removal for resale or reuse, indicates a targeted effort to prevent Coalition forces from gaining access to their contents.

All IIS laboratories visited by IIS exploitation teams have been clearly sanitized, including removal of much equipment, shredding and burning of documents, and even the removal of nameplates from office doors.

Although much of the deliberate destruction and sanitization of documents and records probably occurred during the height of OIF combat operations, indications of significant continuing destruction efforts have been found after the end of major combat operations, including entry in May 2003 of the locked gated vaults of the Ba'ath party intelligence building in Baghdad and highly selective destruction of computer hard drives and data storage equipment along with the burning of a small number of specific binders that appear to have contained financial and intelligence records, and in July 2003 a site exploitation team at the Abu Ghurayb Prison found one pile of the smoldering ashes from documents that was still warm to the touch.

CIA
59 posted on 11/16/2005 9:52:50 AM PST by ravingnutter
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To: George W. Bush

You would seem a lot more credible if you didn't use made-up words like "indeliable."


75 posted on 11/16/2005 11:49:41 AM PST by webheart
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To: George W. Bush
If there were toxic chemicals present for chemical warfare, there would also be traces of it.

Recall the trailers that were suspected of being portable biowarfare prep labs? The interiors had been scrubbed down with chlorine bleach.

The media alleged the trailers were actually hydrogen-generation labs for weather balloons. But why would such equipment have been scrubbed down with chlorine bleach?

103 posted on 11/16/2005 6:39:18 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: George W. Bush
The stock reply for all of your objections to his analysis would be "That was pre-1998 leftovers and Iraq had no WMDs in 2003."

The timeline is important to keep in mind.

123 posted on 11/17/2005 8:18:11 AM PST by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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