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To: GOPPachyderm
where to start?

lay people trying to be physicists? madness....*shakes head*

"order tends towards disorder "....."a random jumble won’t organize itself "

obviously stated without any knowledge whatsoever of nonlinear mathematics and the "anti-chaos theory". This theory can be mathematically applied to any system (macroscopic or microscopic). see examples of anti-chaos or self ordering systems in genetics for example. where we do not see regression to lower order genome, but in fact movement towards complexity and order. This makes a nonsense of the above statement. This is not a closed system still the author is treating it as such

"The open systems argument does not help evolution. Raw energy cannot generate the specified complex information in living things.Undirected energy just speeds up destruction. Just standing out in the sun won’t make you more complex—the human body lacks the mechanisms to harness raw solar energy. "

Obvious error here, raw energy? a very unscientific term, energy changes STATE it cannot be destroyed in a closed or open system. The argument that solar energy cannot be harnessed by human beings is absurd. Human beings eat food that CAN harness solar energy, they eat predators that also eat food that can be harnessed by solar energy. Solar energy is also not the only form of ambient energy in our system. There is also radiation that stimulates genetic mutations. there are also quantum forces not treated by this comment and ignored. A buffoon wrote this IMHO.

" If you stood in the sun too long, you would get skin cancer, because the sun’s undirected energy will cause mutations. (Mutations are copying errors in the genes that nearly always lose information). "

Mutations if combined with the mechanism of natural selection are ALWAYS successful and select for robust and strong competing advantage over the encroached or incumbent species. The mutant gene will in the case of natural selection prevail at the expense of the less robust. In terms of mutation causing loss of information? explain how recombination events or other genetic mechanisms used by biological system to "capture" genetic material and extend the genome seem to fly in the face of this statement?

My conclusion is that this is a poor and crude attempt by a lay person, probably a PHD theologian to rebut topics and arguments he does not understand. It hurts his cause not helps it.

661 posted on 11/17/2005 2:44:02 AM PST by Kelly_2000 ( (Because they stand on a wall and say nothing is going to hurt you tonight. Not on my watch))
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To: Kelly_2000
Are you a physicist? I guess that entitles only your single viewpoint to be serious while others are laughable.

The material that I quoted from Answers in Genesis was written and edited by scientists. I think you're presenting a relatively new theory as uncontested fact to support your argument.

String theory and chaos are very interesting fields of study but not incontrovertible facts you can use to dismiss any opinion that doesn't match your own apparently well-accredited background. I think you're using theory to intimidate people into thinking that theories are established fact.
727 posted on 11/17/2005 8:19:24 AM PST by GOPPachyderm
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To: Kelly_2000
Glad you decided to refute this post. Yours came to the same conclusion mine did, Safarti is full of s*&t.
778 posted on 11/17/2005 9:52:50 AM PST by b_sharp
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To: Kelly_2000
My conclusion is that this is a poor and crude attempt by a lay person, probably a PHD theologian to rebut topics and arguments he does not understand. It hurts his cause not helps it.

Sadly, the idiot who wrote so much of AiG's handwaving and mumbling, Sarfati, is a PhD chemist, yet whenever I read any of his output the overwhelming impression that I get is that a lowly civil engineering graduate like myself knows far more general science than he does. I guess he might have me beat on physical chemistry though. :( He has a habit of browbeating his debating opponents with their lack of qualifications compared with his. Oddly enough he prefers not to debate on the issues...

814 posted on 11/17/2005 10:50:34 AM PST by Thatcherite (F--ked in the afterlife, bullying feminized androgenous automaton euro-weenie blackguard)
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