Posted on 11/15/2005 5:30:28 PM PST by RWR8189
Thanks for those links; so the senate is trying to limit the damage done by SCOTUS.
I have outgrown the Republican Party.
Your USA Toady article said that too.
"It's a minor point, really about nothing - except that, like a flash of lightning, it illuminated the hole where Allen's character would be, if he had any."
Well Said. Exactly why he lost me.
I suspect that if Al Gore had been president on 9-11, conservatives would still be the leading peaceniks and Ron Paul would be one of many.
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Good! Thank you.
Thank you very much.
I get the impression SoDak conservatives are very fortunate to be represented by the likes of Senator John Thune.
We Iowans only wish we could be so lucky.
Regarding the issue of civil war and identity divide in America it cannot be denied that a major divide exists between Boston, MA. and Oklahoma City, OK for example. That divide exists whether it's visible or not. In a noble effort to heal it often the division is denied and hidden. Unfortunately that only serves to mask it without treating the underlying problem and periodically it rears its ugly head as in the presidential debates of 2004.
I don't know what the answer to the division is and have absolutely no desire to witness a civil war, but I am certain that sweeping it under the rug and pretending it doesn't exist is not it.
Regarding the wimp republicans there exists a disconnection from the party base and in my view America itself in favor of personal concerns and that is what I was targeting as a reason for a new party. There is a large group of Americans that cringe at the thought of voting for a Democrat, but also will not support fake republicans either and as a result will not vote at all.
Whether these problems can be solved without a civil war is my wish and identifying the true cause is the first step, not hiding it. Hopefully a strong leader will emerge to deal with this problem and I hope it is G.W. Bush.
Sorry....but....I consider myself a conservative (your category of 'The Right'?) and I resent being put in ANY position of comparison with 'The Left', since there IS no comparison, as they are a group of unhinged (Rush is right!), hate-filled/hate-fueled morons. Could you possibly add another category or rename 'The Left' to 'The Wackoleft'?
Our positions (I am also a Conservative) are diametrically opposed. So there is a compare/contrast between the two.
Call it Truth vs lies, good vs evil, patriotic vs unpatriotic, there is still a comparison.
FReepers should ask their US House member to have S.Amdt. 2518 to S. 1012 be removed in conference.
My cite is wrong--should have been S. 1042.
Sorry, but an objective view of Dubya's statements simply do not reveal a clear exit strategy, at least not a realistic one. He, along with any other Republican president, certainly suffers at the hands of an incredibly biased media, but there's more behind his sinking poll numbers than just that standard fare. There are plenty of Republicans giving him low marks right now, as well.
You can pretend that Iraq is going exactly as expected, but it's glaringly obvious to any objective observer, including his supporters, that this is not the case. Reality: Iraq is not going to turn into some bastion of freedom and western democracy. And the longer he hangs around chasing such an unattainable goal, the harder it's gonna be for him or anyone else to get the support of the people for future actions that will almost certainly be needed elsewhere. Syria and Iran come to mind.
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What part of his strategy do you find unclear or unrealistic? It seems perfectly plain to me.
Iraq not going exactly as expected -- of course isn't - that is a ridiculous criteria for success or failure in a war. As they say, the enemy gets a vote, and people make mistakes. The "Reality" is we are winning in Iraq, and there is no doubt about it. The Sunnis have been coopted, and the political support for the insurgency is greatly diluted, and grows weaker every day. As long as we don't quit, we are going to win. The only way we can lose is if we give up. Therefore, anybody who advocates quitting is advocating victory for the beastly savages of darkness.
Iraq as a western democracy is another ridiculous criteria that you throw out to argue that it's hopeless. An Iraqi democracy will be a gigantic strategic success for the US for many, many years to come, with highly beneficial regional and global consequences. The Iraqis are well on their way, of that there can be no doubt.
People have to pick who they want to win in this war, the bloodthirsty savages who will destroy civilization, or us. It's one or the other.
The notion that surrender in Iraq puts us in better position to win with Syria or Iran is foolish beyond belief. Victory with either foe is essentially impossible without staying the course and winning in Iraq. Who in either country would be so stupid as to stand with us if we abandon our friends in Iraq on the cusp of a great triump because of a freaking blip in the polls?
This is no time to go wobbly.
Loss of life in both was far greater than the Iraq War. The whiners are letting the MSM decide acceptable casualty rates and benchmarks of success. That is ridiculous.
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