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'Perception' gene tracked humanity's evolution, scientists say
Eurekalert ^ | 14-Nov-2005 | David Bricker

Posted on 11/15/2005 8:25:44 AM PST by balrog666

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To: Antonello; Junior
> But doesn't that just make 'goto' a transitional fossil?

More like the vermiform appendix. Just hanging out there and likely to cause problems.

61 posted on 11/15/2005 1:21:27 PM PST by dread78645 (Sorry Mr. Franklin, We couldn't keep it.)
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To: balrog666

I took FORTRAN 20 years ago in college. Promptly forgot it.


62 posted on 11/15/2005 1:22:17 PM PST by Junior (From now on, I'll stick to science, and leave the hunting alien mutants to the experts!)
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To: Coyoteman
You sure know how to suck the humor out of a good pun ;-p
63 posted on 11/15/2005 1:22:34 PM PST by Antonello
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To: Antonello
You sure know how to suck the humor out of a good pun ;-p

Puns, like Java, come only in descending grades. They start out bad and get worse.

However, if you rhyme your puns, you will certainly be accused of going from bad to verse.

64 posted on 11/15/2005 1:24:40 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Coyoteman
>You sure know how to suck the humor out of a good pun ;-p

However, if you rhyme your puns, you will certainly be accused of going from bad to verse.

Note that I refrained from using the obvious rhyme.

65 posted on 11/15/2005 1:30:19 PM PST by Antonello
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To: Stultis
"Only about 1 to 1.5 percent of our DNA differs from chimpanzees,"

That's because ALL CREATION shares a common DESIGNER. It is logical and reasonable that we share some of the same ingredients.
66 posted on 11/15/2005 1:30:41 PM PST by dmanLA
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To: dmanLA; Stultis
That's because ALL CREATION shares a common DESIGNER. It is logical and reasonable that we share some of the same ingredients.

You didn't bother to read down to post #51 before replying, I see...

One example of many: Why would the "DESIGNER" of "ALL CREATION" give both us and the other primates the same *broken* copy of the gene that in most other animals performs Vitamin-C synthesis? And why would he design our broken copy of that gene to be slightly variant from the Chimp broken copy, more variant from the Gorilla broken copy, and so on, in a way that exactly matches the results of evolutionary divergence from successively older common ancestral branches?

67 posted on 11/15/2005 1:35:11 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Coyoteman; Junior
Puns, like Java, come only in descending grades. They start out bad and get worse.


Java is bad for you!

68 posted on 11/15/2005 1:38:21 PM PST by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: balrog666

I'm a SQL man, myself.


69 posted on 11/15/2005 1:42:48 PM PST by Junior (From now on, I'll stick to science, and leave the hunting alien mutants to the experts!)
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To: balrog666
Have you people never heard of the Universal Language, written by my uncle (that's the other one), known as FORTRAN?

Bring back FORTRAN! (Then I can come back!)

70 posted on 11/15/2005 2:16:28 PM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: Coyoteman
Amanita muscaria is common where I live and is one poisonous dude. Not as bad as its brethren A. phalloides and A. verna, but still bad. Symptoms include salivation, vomiting, bloody stools, cyanosis, muscular twitching and convulsions. A few fatalities have been reported.
71 posted on 11/15/2005 2:29:00 PM PST by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: Ichneumon

Maybe this gene isn't broken at all like you claim.

I think it is hilarious that otherwise intelligent people continue to argue that they are in fact, monkeys.

God does have a sense of humor....


72 posted on 11/15/2005 2:36:39 PM PST by dmanLA
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To: dmanLA
monkeys

Apes, not monkeys.

73 posted on 11/15/2005 2:38:51 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: furball4paws
Amanita muscaria is common where I live and is one poisonous dude. Not as bad as its brethren A. phalloides and A. verna, but still bad. Symptoms include salivation, vomiting, bloody stools, cyanosis, muscular twitching and convulsions. A few fatalities have been reported.

Many cultures used A. muscaria. Not sure I would have wanted to be the one experimenting, especially when it came to A. palloides, but given the number of cultures worldwide who used the mushrooms, somebody did experiment.

It is also prevalent in the eastern Mediterranean (see John M. Allegro's book for details)--that's why I posted the photograph.

74 posted on 11/15/2005 2:42:41 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: balrog666

Nutjobs quote a 2,000 year old book, and claim that women were created from a man's rib.

"Eat my body, drink my blood" (Catholic song--I was indoctrinated)


75 posted on 11/15/2005 2:52:55 PM PST by MonroeDNA (Look for the union label--on the bat crashing through your windshield!)
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To: Ichneumon
and any programmer could tell at a glance whether a particular program was actually written by a human, or "grown/evolved" via genetic algorithms
Or rather, any programmer could tell if it was written by a normal human, or one of the following:
76 posted on 11/15/2005 3:00:55 PM PST by anguish (while science catches up.... mysticism!)
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To: dmanLA
Maybe this gene isn't broken at all like you claim.

Maybe you're grasping at straws.

It's provably broken. Its miscoding results in failed Vitamin-C synthesis in primates. We provably are unable to make Vitamin-C from simpler chemicals in the food we eat, unlike almost all other animals. As a result, we are subject to nutritional diseases if we fail to get enough Vitamin-C directly in the foods we eat -- this is not a problem for almost all other non-primate animals, because their Vitamin-C-making genese are *not* broken in the way that ours are. We *do* have that gene (as well as the other genes which are involved in the multi-step process of Vitamin-C synthesis), but a copy error millions of years ago in the ancestral lineage of proto-primates screwed it up, and the entire primate lineage since then has inherited it the genetic error, resulting in the complete failure (and uselessness) of our otherwise intact Vitamin-C synthesis mechanism.

So again I ask: What kind of "DESIGNER" would insert broken genes into us *and* into the other primates, *and* do it in a way that is (in precise character, degree, and detail) exactly as predicted from an origin via evolutionary common descent?

Once you've answered that (if you ever manage to -- good luck!) we can move onto the subject of why man and other primates share endogenous retroviruses in a way impossible to explain via "design", and 100% expected via evolutionary common descent. And after *that*, I've got another several thousand thorny questions for you about how human DNA screams "common descent" instead of "common design".

I think it is hilarious that otherwise intelligent people continue to argue that they are in fact, monkeys.

*I* think it's hilarious that allegedly intelligent people are so ignorant of the vast and overwhelming evidence, along multiple independently cross-confirming lines, that we are indeed directly related to the other primates. I also think it's hilarious that these know-nothings feel compelled to ridicule the people who *are* familiar with the evidence, based on nothing more than their own emotional reaction to the concept of having distant simian relatives, and their own unawareness of their lack of an education on this matter.

Oh, and by the way: You Are an Ape. If you disagree, feel free to find any traits which are diagnostic of apes (i.e., which all apes characteristically have that non-ape animals do not) which humans do not *also* have as well.

God does have a sense of humor....

Apparently so, since He made so many people who are belligerently arrogant about their state of ignorance.

77 posted on 11/15/2005 3:02:57 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Ichneumon

"...He made so many people who are belligerently arrogant about their state of ignorance."

At least I agree with your last sentence...


78 posted on 11/15/2005 3:07:30 PM PST by dmanLA
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To: balrog666; Coyoteman; Junior; PatrickHenry
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79 posted on 11/15/2005 3:10:51 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: dmanLA
Wow -- unable to actually deal with the evidence, the best retort you can manage is a lame variation on Pee Wee Herman's, "I know you are but what am I"...

Run along, the grownups are having a conversation.

80 posted on 11/15/2005 3:12:36 PM PST by Ichneumon
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