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To: nicmarlo
retaining and sustaining American values, language, and culture,

The three are not a triumvirate, it is duplicitious to claim that they are. American VALUES are freedom, hard work, individualism, personal responsibility, self-reliance, and independence, rooted in a moral ethos that says "this is right and this is wrong" (even if everyone did not always DO what was right, we could at least AGREE on what was right).

American culture and language are distinctively English in their roots, but the grand thing about America is that the values TRANSCEND culture. This is where the Buchananites and the majority of immigration freepers have it DEAD WRONG. It is not our culture and language that gave rise to the values, but vice versa. In fact, we have retained some of the culture, and all of the language, and kissed most of the values goodbye. It is extremely hypocritical to act as if the three are bound together, and even more silly to act as though the language and culture are the key elements, and without those, the values will die. That way of thinking is elitist bullshit.

One of the key values of historical Western Civ is the respect for human life, and is one of the big reasons we have this debate in the first place. It is gone, and has ramifications. We are an AGING population because we are first and foremost concerned with our own trinkets and comfort, so limit our number of kids or kill them outright as a culture. If we did not import people, we would have a declining population and would have an asyptotically ageing labor pool. I thank GOD that the labor pool we draw from at least shares the rudiments of a Christian value system (though I wonder just what the virgin of Guadeloupe has to do with all of it), rather than a bunch of ragheads who believe that to kill an infidel is to offer a service to God.

If you are worried about maintaining the culture, you might think about the fact that the mark of a weak, flaccid and impotent culture is that it draws in and wants to "protect" itself, while a vibrant, young, growing culture transforms those it comes in contact with, even when it is disproportionately represented.

541 posted on 11/17/2005 7:14:01 AM PST by chronic_loser (Handle provided free of charge as flame bait for the neurally vacant.)
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To: chronic_loser

asymptotically was sic above


543 posted on 11/17/2005 7:15:36 AM PST by chronic_loser (Handle provided free of charge as flame bait for the neurally vacant.)
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To: chronic_loser
It is extremely hypocritical to act as if the three are bound together, and even more silly to act as though the language and culture are the key elements, and without those, the values will die. That way of thinking is elitist bullshit.

You're parsing words, chronic_loser; the three are intimately intertwined, in every culture. First, there is a unique identity which comes through a people united under one language. This allows unimpeded communication, which serves unify, rather than divide. Shared communication allows a people to develop and define their culture and agree upon the values and standards upon which to build and sustain their civilization as unique....and which later allows them to be a cohesive group of one people, not multi-cultural, multi-national identities, which serve no purpose, other than to divide....something you simply either choose to not understand, or if you do understand, then are willing to look over or ignore.

545 posted on 11/17/2005 7:21:52 AM PST by nicmarlo
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