Actually, all we have PROVED is that you are, like many immigration freepers, cloaking your own prejudice behind a thin pretention of concern for upholding the law. How do I know this? Just follow your post..., next:
Were these people here legally? I doubt it. Do you think that job you offered had a 50% cushion of labor charge? (I seriously doubt it) So this kind of points to a scenario where Jose'and Jose-B were not here legally.
Wrong, Homer. You see, I have a small financial services company ( I invest money, broker mortgages, and have an insurance brokerage ), and these guys came to my office to get paid. Across the hall is our branch that sells INSURANCE, and these guys were shopping liability and work comp. They asked if we did insurance, and I sent them to the girl across the hall. She came over and asked what my "feel" for them was (what company?, we have ranges from the best to spotty) My best companies (Safeco, Hartford) demand legitimate SS numbers, or tax id numbers and a 3 year loss run. All three of these guys were legal. Two are on green cards and one is a US citizen. This was one I just happened to know about. But, I did not know before they bid, but I DO know that the white guy who bid against them had two hispanic laborers. Should I ask to see their green cards? Get their fingerprints and send them to the FBI? More entertainment below:
Now your complicit in tax fraud. If you yourself had more than a luke warm 70 IQ you would have smelled something fishy about this business deal. So basically, you pitted a few legit business men (who's estimates were all in the same ballpark) against some scumbag tax cheat business guy...to your advantage. You're just as bad as the tax cheat / criminals crawling across our borders.
#1) legally, you are complicit in "tax fraud" when you knowingly and deliberately HIRE (not contract, Einstein, there is a difference) an illegal and knowingly and deliberately utilize false tax info (bad SS or ID) to withold (or avoid witholding). The law states you have to ask for an ID.... TO HIRE them (please reference above distinction between hire and contract). It does NOT say you have to say "Wait a minute here, you greaser! You a MEXICAN and I think you mightuh FORGED this card..., Lets see some more proof....." although I am aware that to be a "true conservative" here on immigraphobialand on FR I might be required to follow some similiar script. On your remark on my IQ, you probably have it partly right. If I were really smart I would not be down 13,000 dollars on some S&P puts. If I were smart I would be rich. However, if I were smart and rich I still don't think I would be a hysterical antilatino rant who threw out false and idiotic assumptions about which I was clueless. The fun continues:
I'll bet dollars for donuts Martin wasn't running his business legally and paid his indentured servants off the books, thus enabling himself to lop 50% profit off the top. No LEGAL labor based business that I have ever heard of has that percentage of profit.
I would bet dollars for donuts that almost every contractor out there, white, black, or latino doesn't declare all his income or wages. If that comes as a shock and a surprise to you, then you are so damn naive I am amazed you can make it out the door in the morning. Some of the best and most honest contractors I know low ball their labor for the purpose of bidding work comp, and have to adjust their figures during the year. You are clueless and hapless. That is really not bad, as I know alot of people who are naive about stuff like this, but what is NOT ok is assuming you do, assuming you know your anal sphincter from a hole in the ground on this particular case, and then making accusations on that basis. You do have company here on the immigration boards, though. Finally:
Once again, thank you for proving my point. I gave you the rope, and you hung yourself nicely with it
I really don't know what you are talking about here..... guess I just joined you, huh? Should I announce that the water is warm and invite everyone else into the pool so we can all sing the happy idiot song together? Or should I give you a chance to learn something about the cant which you are reciting? Your call (splashing water happily)
..... "hung nicely".... my wife will love that one.
I did not add that Martin told me that he was so confident in his work that he would be willing to DO THE JOB AT A LOSS if I was unsatisfied.
I do apologize for that. I can see how you thought there was 100% profit (not 50%) built in. I would think something was fishy too, and it just sped right past me. For that, I do apologize. What impressed me was not that he could overcharge by a factor of 2:1 (!), but that he was confident enough in his work that the three guys all agreed that if I was unhappy with the work they would cut the price in half and lose money on the job. Kind of like saying, "I will do it for free if you don't like it." I used to say that to potential customers when I mowed lawns (age 11-16)....... on the FIRST time. Yeah, I would have been REAL suspicious of the idea that you can bid the job and cut it in half and still make money.
By the way, for what it is worth, I grew up building houses. My dad was a general contractor and I ran crews from the time I was about 16 till I finished college. I would still be doing it if the subs hadn't driven me crazy. That is part of my fondness for latinos. I could not keep sober, responsible subs on the job back in the mid 70s. Almost all the contractors I know here say the Mexicans have saved the construction industry from imploding.
At any rate, if we are going to go at it hammer and tongs, I at least want to be talking about the same thing, and we weren't and it was MY fault we weren't, so at least we can agree on that part.... It was my fault that we weren't communicating, and for that I apologize.