Posted on 11/15/2005 2:32:39 AM PST by holymoly
"The Green Tip actually has better knock down power and penetration than the 7.62 round at longer distances because of it's speed."
E=(wt*v2)/450240
147*2600sq)/450240 = 2207ft/lbs for the 7.62
62*2600/450240 = 930ft/lbs for pipsqueek mouse gun.
I did my BCT at Fort Knox in '69.I had never held a weapon before.Ours was the last cycle at Ft Knox to qualify on the M-14 and the first to qualify on the M-16.I always found the M-14 to be more accurate (I scored much better with it) but the M-16 to be much more fun,particularly when they let us slip it into automatic,which happened a couple of times.
Rifle range was just about the most fun that this kid from the suburbs had had up until then.
Where can I purchase a case of these rounds?
My beloved M203 didn't see any action in Iraq. The problem is this - Indirect fire + blast radius = civilian casualties.
On that same line, most Mk-19s that sat in storage while people clamored over the Ma Deuces. The Mk-19 is a great weapon, just not in an occupied city. Still, I was always glad to have 7x HE and 2x smoke in my leg rig, just in case. I remember clearing one room where a sleepy muj woke up and found himself staring down the barrel of my M203. You've never seen eyes go that wide. He was definitely happy to surrender at that point.
Don't go to war with itty bitty bullets.
well they list a Little Rock business in the article but I believe they are a distributor.
Sounds like we need to go back to the M14. It basically shoots a .30-06, right?
I see your view of the wounded...and with this enemy, I understand how we end up the care givers. FWIW, I am of the take no prisoners mentality...
Its was shelved awhile ago. But the stated reason was not the caliber round. They wanted the weapon to be modular "in the field", and the designers made it so it could be modified by the soldier to go from a small Carbine, to a standard Infantry rifle, into a sniper rifle. But the Army wanted a rifle that could be modified to a light machine gun ala M249, which H&K couldn't do. So they shelved the whole program until a designer can do that. The Army is not as dissastisfied with the 5.56 round as civillian gun enthusiasts. I wouldn't count on anything larger than the 6.8mm. Those who think the M-14 would seriously be brought back into service are nuts!
Dad swears by the BAR - but then, he carried one all over Korea with the USMC.
well I don't know about that... I think all the talk about how "mean" we are and how we torture folks and killing the wounded is in fact helping the muj and hurting us. Please just follow this....
If you (the enemy) think we are pussies and treat prisoners with kid gloves and they get 3 hots and a cot plus a koran...well in the middle of a fire fight or after seeing a couple of the houses filled with their buddies blow up. They're (the weaker ones or the ones sitting on the fence)not going to mind giving up to us. But if we're painted as torturers and kill 'em all types then they've got no reason to quit or surrender. Thus making it necessary to actually kill them.... all of them.
As an example, think about this. How many Marines have surrendered in combat in Iraq. The reason they won't is bravery, honor, and also way back in their minds they know if they give up... the Muj is going to put them on the Internet and slit their throat for everybody to see. So I'm guessing every single dude at a forward position has made his mind up to go down slinging lead, grenades and a knife rather than be captured. I know that's the only way I'd go down.... cause I'm chicken sh#t when it comes to having my throat slit for the viewing of the general public.
That's why we (the US) treats it's prisoners fairly well once captured. Of course, sometimes we don't...... or as the great philosopher Patrick Swayze said in "Roadhouse".... "be NICE.... until it's time to NOT BE NICE.".... of course that's only my opinion and I could be wrong.
M14 shoots 7.62x51mm NATO round (aka .308 Winchester).
"He called the M16 "Mattel" from all the plastic."
Some of them were manufactured by Mattel. Of course that was back when we still made things in this country.
bttt!!
Haven't seen you 'round in a coons age!
Of course, a .308--I'm getting senile.
I suspect the troops like the handiness but it must take 2-300fps off the velocity, maybe even more.
It would seem an HK-5 would do about the same thing in close quarters.
I actually think the perfect battle cartridge has already been developed way back in the 19th centure. The 6.5 Swedish Mauser, although I would love to see just how well the 6mm Lee Navy would do with modern guns and powder. I have read reports of the Marines using them in the Boxer rebellion and other European soldiers being impressed.
my old 166MhZ finally broke a couple years ago and it took me over a year to get a good one! now, i'm in stealth mode after returning and po'n JR off a couple times... the sit-rep site is no more, but there is activity at my new face if you follow my bio-link... there are some familiar faces over there...
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