Posted on 11/14/2005 6:27:45 PM PST by ncountylee
i agree.
but it is a double standard to try and 'protect' nature by puting it in (letting it go into) a state to destroy itself (and the humans/property that dwell within/near it).
envirowackos: humans exists. deal with it.
what next? are they going to protest/block firefighters?
"I side with the Environmentalist on this one folks sorry."
Then wiith all due respect, you are an idiot.
Come to Arizona and I will give you a tour of one of the last stands of Ponderosa Pines in the world. Most are krispie critters due to a forest fire about 4 years ago. There was sooo much undergrowth and so much demand for the sparse rainfall up there that disease (bark beetles) and slash (dead ground cover) made it a 40 day bon fire costing millions in human loses and more millions in lumber/trees (over 500,000 Acres). It makes a person sick to see such waste.
If you have the 'nads, I will take the time to explain it in person.
Boy is that the truth.... and since they started thinning the forests around Flagstaff two years ago they are looking appreciably healthier... anyone who thinks thining is wrong needs to get out and see the difference.
Sounds like these so-called "judges" are a bunch of blockheads.
Head down to the Hon-Dah and the White River areas. The Apaches told the enviroloonies and their "judges" to kiss their @$$. They went in and thinned out the area. There forests are starting to look excellent. I've also noticed that in the areas where they thinned and got rid of the trash on the ground, large numbers of oak trees are starting to come up. That's a good thing.
"Ponderosa pine forests are important because of their wide distribution" - Greater Flagstaff Forests Partnership
Didn't they do that after everything tried to burn down several years ago??? I think that pretty much woke this state up... I don't hold hope anything is going to awaken California.
Of course the bad news (regardless of the death and destruction that Mother nature unleashes when Man is not a proper steward) is that this was and continues to be a lost cause for any reasonable person, as the enviro-terrorists continue to control the logging industry through their willful agents, our Leftist judges. I grew up in Oregon and watched the majority of my family lose jobs to an owl seen about as often as a Unicorn, and then only nesting in second growth. These Leftists are the grandfathers to the modern elitist, moonbats that have brought the fight to us, armed with Bullsheet science, moral relativism, and contempt for anything decent. They are a malignancy and I intend to die fighting them.
From Hell's heart, I stab at thee. For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee. --Khan Noonien Singh
""Ponderosa pine forests are important because of their wide distribution""
Well, there are 500,000 acres fewer now, thanks to greenie weenies. No thanks, I like to camp up there but one of my favorite areas no longer exists and a friend's cabin which was nestled nicely in the forest now is visible through the ten trees left on his property.
Yep!
Despite all your threats/arguments I still side with the dicision to block the logging. Yep. I'm a conservative too. A real one even, bet that just burns you up huh?
An ecologist, perhaps, but not a conservationist. There is a profound difference.
Cuts down on forest fires which DESTROY!
The AP side of the story is...
The Forest Service said timber sales help preserve logging jobs and the natural ecosystem. The project would thin out smaller trees that are fire hazards, not completely clear out the area, spokesman Matt Mathes said.
"We desperately need to bring the ecosystem back into balance. The smaller trees in that area act as ladders to take fires into the taller Sequoias," Mathes said.
Congress declared parts of the Sequoia National Forest a national monument in 2000. That designation generally would prevent further logging. But, because the sale was approved before the declaration, Mathes said, the project was exempt from monument rules.
Mathes said he did not know if the Forest Service would challenge the injunction.
http://www.casperstartribune.net/articles/2005/11/15/news/regional/2314fae3adf7c87e872570ba0061f540.txt
The Assoicated Press "Environmental" report is linked below...different than Reuters...
Should we allow scientists to make scientific decisions based upon science ...
or should we prefer lawyers, politicians, and judges with no scientific training to make emotional, political decisions on science...
"The Forest Service said timber sales help preserve...the natural ecosystem. The project would thin out smaller trees that are fire hazards, not completely clear out the area, spokesman Matt Mathes said."
"We desperately need to bring the ecosystem back into balance. The smaller trees in that area act as ladders to take fires into the taller Sequoias," Mathes said.
http://www.casperstartribune.net/articles/2005/11/15/news/regional/2314fae3adf7c87e872570ba0061f540.txt
The giant sequoias and redwoods show historically that before environmentalists intervened, natural fires every couple decades would clear out the understory, allow a few new trees to sprout in open areas as well. The older trees are largely unharmed. Even if the branches burn, the trunks survive and resprout new limbs.
Since fire would jeapordize the homes of people living in the area, thinning the trees is the only practical thing to do.
In nature, smaller, natural fires every few decades would control the undergrowth. Of course with people's homes and such there we can't do this except for controlled burning. The only way is by thinning and logging certain trees.
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