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Who Loves Freedom More?
Washington Post ^ | 11 November 2005 | Michael Kinsley

Posted on 11/14/2005 4:10:16 PM PST by Lorianne

LONDON -- Two countries. One has a Constitution with a Bill of Rights. These documents limit the power of the elected branches. They cannot be repealed or easily amended. Although neither one says so explicitly, there is a rock-hard tradition that the courts, and not the legislature or the executive, have the final say over their interpretation. No elected official would claim more authority than the Supreme Court in interpreting the Constitution. Put it all together and an individual citizen can feel pretty secure against the tyranny of the majority or a runaway government. Or so we suppose.

The other country has what it calls a constitution, but it is a metaphysical conceit -- an ill-defined set of ideas and values floating in the ether, not an actual document. Courts do refer to it in deciding cases, but there is no certainty about what the words are, let alone what they mean. There is no established principle that the courts may declare acts of the legislature unconstitutional. The legislature, meanwhile, is sovereign and can trump this constitution by passing an ordinary law. In effect, the individual has no legal protection against the tyranny of the majority.

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TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections
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1 posted on 11/14/2005 4:10:16 PM PST by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne
I thought this might be an opportunity to discuss a worthy topic but the writer went off into liberal fairy land.

It has taken me 34 years of my life to learn that all democracies are not equal. Not an easy task for someone who grew up in Canada and was taught just that. But I truly believe a Republican form of government, which is really a government based on the rule of law, is far superior to any other system of government, which are more or less just an instrument for the masses to hit the minority over the head. With that said I consider the Parliamentary form at least superior to the ghastly forms of governments experimented with in Europe and Israel. The worst sort being the Proportional Representation form of government. This form of government generally results in chaos and mass tyranny, not serving the needs of the people, as proponents suggest.

My wife is American and clearly this principle has not been taught very well in US schools either. I said to her that democracy is not what a free people should strive for. That democracy leads to tyranny of the mob (was that from Tocqueville?) and socialism. That a society based on the rule of law, which protects the individual against ALL tyrants is what needs to be achieved. She looked at me like I was completely nuts
2 posted on 11/14/2005 4:23:54 PM PST by Sam Gamgee (I hate hippies - Eric Cartman)
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To: Lorianne

The author < conveniently > fails to distinguish between criminals who threaten people, and terrorists who threaten thousands of people in his diatribe against the Bush administration's refusal to let terrorists have the benefit of our civil laws.


3 posted on 11/14/2005 4:43:57 PM PST by Paloma_55 (Which part of "Common Sense" do you not understand???)
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To: Sam Gamgee

"I said to her that democracy is not what a free people should strive for...That a society based on the rule of law, which protects the individual against ALL tyrants is what needs to be achieved."

Like a representative republic such as we have in the states.

I agree the schools do not do a great job teaching government.

Can't help you with the part where she thinks you're nuts!


4 posted on 11/14/2005 4:53:55 PM PST by Owl558 (Pardon my spelling)
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To: Lorianne

What about the tyranny of the courts? There is this assumption that judges are always altruistic and good. That's just not factual. Better tyranny of a majority than tyranny of a super minority (judges). That said, the whole idea of republicanism over a straight democracy was about avoiding the problem of mob rule. But if judges are allowed to interpret the laws contrary to the intent of the lawmakers, then all is lost. We have a judicial oligarchy, not a republican democracy. It's not ordered liberty; it's judicial tyranny. Judges are supposed to make sure everyone plays by the SAME rules. They do not get to write the rules. You want changes, persuade your fellow citizens.


5 posted on 11/14/2005 4:54:41 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (The nastiness of evolutionists proves one theological point: human depravity..)
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To: Lorianne

What can one expect from Michael Kinsley? He is fascinated by his own opinion. He needs to grow up and the little boy in him needs to stop trying to impress the adults around him.


6 posted on 11/14/2005 5:45:12 PM PST by Lacroix
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To: Owl558
No, but the first time someone said the same thing to me my reaction was about the same. And yes, the US has the best ideal of what should be strived for.
7 posted on 11/14/2005 8:31:41 PM PST by Sam Gamgee (I hate hippies - Eric Cartman)
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To: Sam Gamgee

The Ghost of FReepers Past has it right:

"Judges are supposed to make sure everyone plays by the SAME rules. They do not get to write the rules. You want changes, persuade your fellow citizens."

As in CO-EQUAL branches of government with defined roles that check the others - which includes checks on the courts. Rule of law, which government and the people observe is the grease that makes it all work.

That and a semi-informed , civic-minded electorate. Which brings us back to the terrible job our failing schools do such a poor job of teaching.

Besides, who am I to argue with ghosts?


8 posted on 11/14/2005 9:02:53 PM PST by Owl558 (Pardon my spelling)
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To: Owl558
I believe the rule of law is what keeps us from becoming like Mexico. Unfortunately liberals are questioning the need for the law to punish. But without punishment we will end up with a cycle of vigilantism.
9 posted on 11/14/2005 9:09:45 PM PST by Sam Gamgee (I hate hippies - Eric Cartman)
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