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'Palestinians': We require Jerusalem
www.jnewswire.com ^ | November 14th, 2005 | Ryan Jones

Posted on 11/14/2005 2:35:45 PM PST by Esther Ruth

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To: ladyinred
Wonder when people will understand they want the entire region? Surely world leaders are not this stupid. They couldn't really believe it was just about Gaza!

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Well, actually I think we are at the point when not only do the Palis want it, but all the world wants Jerusalem, even these so called "stupid world leaders" who keep making these illogical and insane moves or so called strategies, that are supposedly in Israel's best interest, yea right. There is a lot of slight of hand going on as many and all have taken all of Israel's poker chips and now it may just be a power struggle between the nations as to how they're gonna divvy it all up or something ...with much else to follow, something like that, but much smoke and mirrors to confuse the audience. See Bible :)
21 posted on 11/14/2005 3:30:12 PM PST by Esther Ruth (I have loved thee with an EVERLASTING LOVE, Jeremiah 31:3 Genesis 12:1-3 ***ZECH 12:3)
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To: Esther Ruth

Are Sharon and the pro Pal Israeli left now ready to withdraw from Jerusalem?


22 posted on 11/14/2005 3:32:05 PM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE.)
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To: thoughtomator
Sounds like someone requires a kick in the teeth.

Or at least an enema (got to flush the Islam).

23 posted on 11/14/2005 3:34:47 PM PST by Dark Skies ("Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound, that saved a wretch like me...")
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To: Paladin2

Reminds me of the joke about the rich Arab whose kid wanted a Mickey Mouse outfit - so he bought him MSNBC!


24 posted on 11/14/2005 3:36:58 PM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: thoughtomator

I'd vote for you! Playing 'let's pretend' is old already. We know it, we see it....but we're stuck in the PC mode.


25 posted on 11/14/2005 3:39:30 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Esther Ruth

"and the churches of Jerusalem."

In your dreams.


26 posted on 11/14/2005 4:33:55 PM PST by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: ladyinred
Wonder when people will understand they want the entire region? Surely world leaders are not this stupid. They couldn't really believe it was just about Gaza!

Islam is a religion of peace; and we all worship the same God.

Or have you forgotten. - Tom


27 posted on 11/14/2005 4:52:50 PM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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To: MplsSteve
As it is, Jews are mostly forbidden from praying on the Temple Mount due to orders of the Moslem-controlled Waqf. I suspect that even the more secular Jews chafe at that.

Because of the delicacy of the situation the Jews cannot clear the islamic satanic relics from the Temple Mount, so it becomes then the responsibilty of western Christians to do it.

28 posted on 11/14/2005 5:27:30 PM PST by Lester Moore (The headwaters of the islamic river of death and hate are in Saudi Arabia.)
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To: petercooper
>"Arafat often swore that untold numbers of his Arabs were willing to “martyr” themselves in order to ensure the achievement of this goal."

We need to be good Christian hosts and help the mooseslimes achieve this goal.
NO not give them Jerusalem, martyr allah them and be done with their BS satanic death cult from the stone age!


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29 posted on 11/14/2005 5:37:37 PM PST by rawcatslyentist ("Always use fresh macaroni.... If the box rattles,.... throw it away."--- Kent Brockman)
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To: Esther Ruth

Going to have to kill them all. They are godless heathen dogs and sons of Belial.


30 posted on 11/14/2005 5:40:57 PM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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31 posted on 11/14/2005 5:42:13 PM PST by Alouette (Gaza: Too small to be a country, too large to be an insane asylum (thanx: Pettigru).)
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To: Esther Ruth

The Crux of the Conflict
by Ryan Jones
Jul 18, '03 / 18 Tammuz 5763





On Tuesday, July 15, Israel’s Knesset voted 26-8 in favor of a resolution that declared Judea, Samaria and Gaza in fact were not “occupied” territories, and that, according to historical evidence and international law, Israel has a right to control these areas.

"The territories of Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are not occupied territories neither from a historic standpoint, nor from that of international law, and not according to the agreements signed by the State of Israel... The Knesset strengthens the hands of the residents of Judea, Samaria, and Gaza, and calls upon the government to continue to develop the communities,” read part of the resolution.

Predictably, the Palestinian Authority on Wednesday strongly condemned the “provocative” resolution as a violation of international law and UN resolutions.

This under-reported event highlights an issue that is typically overlooked by the region’s Western “benefactors,” but in reality is the crux of the conflict and the reason why every attempted “peace” initiative has failed.

Israel has traditionally entered peace negotiations with the underlying understanding that it has a right to control Judea, Samaria and Gaza - both from a historical perspective and according to international law - and yet is willing to give up sovereignty over those areas as a gesture of goodwill and out of a desire to live in peaceful coexistence.

The Palestinians, on the other hand, have entered negotiations on the basis that their country was “stolen” from them by Israel, and that the Jewish state is an usurping occupier who has no right to exist in the region. Nonetheless, they are ostensibly willing to recognize Israel on part of the land as a “peace” concession.

Before going any further it is important to note we are not talking about the right of individual people to live on the land, but rather about national sovereignty.

Israel draws legitimacy for its claim to the land from both history - ensconced in archeological evidence and written record - and recognized, but largely forgotten, international law.

The San Remo Conference of 1920 provides the last lawfully implementable international dictate to be issued on the Israeli-Arab conflict, and that document bestows eventual national sovereignty over the entire Palestine Mandate on the Jews. A UN attempt to legally divide the land in 1947 was rejected by the Arabs, thus making the San Remo Conference the only legally binding document of record regarding this conflict.

Subsequent UN resolutions dealing with Israel’s takeover of Judea, Samaria and Gaza were all passed under Chapter VI of that body’s charter, meaning they are suggestions and starting points for negotiations, not international law. At best - as far as the Palestinians are concerned - Judea, Samaria and Gaza are disputed territories that legally belong to neither side; territories which have not had an internationally recognized sovereign since the Ottoman Empire, and never a Palestinian Arab one.

What the West fails to understand, however, is that the Palestinians are not truly driven by the letter of international law, but rather by another force - Islam. The tenets of Islam will never allow the Arabs to view Israel as an entity that may actually have a legitimate claim to the land, but is nonetheless willing to trade that claim for peaceful coexistence. Israel must, according to Islam, be viewed as the conqueror of a land that once was, and therefore must always be, under the Dar el-Islam - the House of Islam. This is the starting point, in the Arabs’ minds, of any negotiations with Israel, irrespective of historical right or the letter of international law.

With this in mind, it is little wonder that the Palestinians - ten years into the “peace” process - continue to view Israel as an enemy and teach their children to do the same. Nor should it be surprising that the Palestinians view violent acts of brutality against the Israeli “conqueror” as a perfectly legitimate means of regaining a land that - while it was never a sovereign Palestinian Arab entity - was once firmly in the grasp of Islam.

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Ryan Jones is News Editor of Jerusalem Newswire, where this article first appeared.


32 posted on 11/14/2005 5:51:17 PM PST by dennisw (You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you - Bob Dylan)
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To: Esther Ruth
Here's an idea, Palestinians - you be happy with the conciliations that you already are unfairly getting and STFU. Else we go back to square one.

"Arafat often swore that untold numbers of his Arabs were willing to “martyr” themselves..."

I think a few well placed Israeli nukes might be able to accommodate good old Yassar. Nuke gets dropped on the Iranian nuclear reactor.
33 posted on 11/14/2005 6:02:50 PM PST by SoCal_Republican (Bubbleheads for Bush)
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To: Esther Ruth
Sorry,
I don't even read this crap anymore.
"Palistinians" will NEVER be content with less than total, utter, complete, deconstruction of any civilization in what most of us consider to be 'the Holy Land'.
Oddly enough, my sentiments are precisely the reverse...no holy land can exist without the utter, complete, ruin of those calling themselves 'palestinians'.

Weird, ain't it?

34 posted on 11/14/2005 6:07:38 PM PST by norton (it IS about the CIA and it IS about CYA...)
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To: holden

That is correct. I have read that too.

But numerous groups of religious Jews have been turned away from the Temple Mount before.


35 posted on 11/14/2005 6:16:04 PM PST by MplsSteve
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To: holden
religious Jews would not risk stepping into the Holy of Holies, the exact location of which is not known on the Temple Mount.

Nevertheless, the exact location of which has been LIMITED by extensive scholarship, but Jews, and Christians, are forbidden from stepping even into areas WHICH ARE PERMITTED BY SCRIPTURE although, of course, NOT TO OFFEND by Mahomedan sensitivities.

36 posted on 11/14/2005 6:37:26 PM PST by Alouette (Gaza: Too small to be a country, too large to be an insane asylum (thanx: Pettigru).)
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To: Alouette

An end to the Arab occupation of Judea and Samaria is required. The Hejaz awaits them..


37 posted on 11/14/2005 7:32:12 PM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: arthurus

"Are Sharon and the pro Pal Israeli left now ready to withdraw from Jerusalem?"

Not Sharon.

I don't know about the Israeli Left.


38 posted on 11/14/2005 7:40:41 PM PST by strategofr (The secret of happiness is freedom. And the secret of freedom is courage.---Thucydities)
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To: Esther Ruth

We require the PA Leadership/terrorists to go straight to Hell as fast as possible BUMP!


39 posted on 11/15/2005 5:15:58 AM PST by conservativecorner
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To: petercooper; Esther Ruth; dennisw; sheik yerbouty

Ah, the Jihadstinians are "demanding" Jerusalem yet again. Demand, demand, demand, require, require, require. If the Lord in Heaven gave them the whole earth, they'd appear the Throne of Glory kvetching, whining, stomping their feet and "demanding" and "requiring" the Lord to give them the moon and half the other planets as well.


40 posted on 11/15/2005 5:25:17 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA (It really, truly is a "religion of peace", and the jihadistinian rioters in France prove it!)
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