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Court Rules Against Special Ed. Parents
AP ^ | 11/14/5 | GINA HOLLAND

Posted on 11/14/2005 10:10:08 AM PST by SmithL

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To: tuckrdout

I never cast any "dispersians."

Read the mail I sent you.


161 posted on 11/15/2005 6:54:41 AM PST by Skooz (If you believe Adolf Hitler was a Christian, you are a blithering idiot.)
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To: MortMan

I'm VERY proud of my kids! All 3 of them!

I love seeing good parents being proud of their broods:).


162 posted on 11/15/2005 6:55:42 AM PST by moog
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To: tuckrdout
My child is doing fantastic! He is doing fantastic because even those who wrote this IEP were people who cared about kids. I have found that special education teachers are very special people indeed! They actually care about the kids they teach! My son had the best education! He is a successful college student who is going into the army after he graduates. He has a job and earns his own way

WOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOW!!!! We teachers live for good parents like you and success stories like that of your son. THANK YOU for being such a great parent. It's refreshing to see someone tell a positive story for once. Some people just want to see the negative so it is nice when there are people out there like you. It's funny that I rarely get replies to the stories I share here that happen in my own classroom.

I share your thoughts about special education teachers. I think that "special" label in front of their name sometimes has an alternate meaning. They live for their students' successes too. And they get to see a TON of neat things happen. I had a girl last year in resource (referred in kindergarten) who made wonderful progress. She's almost to the point where she is on grade level which is some kind of miracle. My neighbor (same neighborhood as my school) has made wonderful progress despite being autistic and essentially not being able to talk until he was 4.

We had this deaf girl with cerebral palsy at my first school. Those dedicated SE teachers worked with her a lot. She made WONDERFUL progress, learning how to read quite well. She made anyone's day with her infectious smile. I loved having her in my PE class because she always tried so hard. Sometimes she did quite well even. It brought tears to about everyone's eyes when her eyes lit up at a Christmas assembly dedicated to her--especially when some sang Christmas songs in sign language.

Then there was Tyler in the wheelchair. What a wonderful person he was!! He was another that tried in PE class despite his limitations. For basketball, I would set up a lower basket for him and he would speed up and slam dunk the ball to a standing ovation from the other kids. They also found out that his wheelchair served as a good barricade during a dodgeball game so his team usually won.

THANK YOU for your service to your kids. God will have a special place prepared for people like you.

163 posted on 11/15/2005 7:08:26 AM PST by moog
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To: tuckrdout
For anyone who is truthfully interested in finding out the mysterious increase in ADD and disabilities do some research on Bounty funding. Here is a another article from a quick google search:

HERE

And yes- parents with children labeled ADD have gotten special social security benefits for their "disabled child"...

Here

The real issue is the school districts and many parents and many in the mental health fields are taking gifted kids, geniuses, and telling them they are not normal, they are disabled and then drugging them into submission- so they will sit quietly all day in school and stare off into space.... challenging no one there.

Of course your child may be the small percentage of those with a real issue.

And I am sure you are a great parent- the problem is that many well meaning , fantastic parents have bought a bill of goods from the so called professionals about all of this ADD and ADHD stuff.

I have an *explosive* child (very intense) who is three and a half years old. He taught himself to read and he reads fluently and is quite taken with classical music and anything to do with numbers- he is very high energy - I have had "teachers" out in the community suggest he is ADD because he will run around like the dickens moving from one task to the other rapidly- and no one can speak with him when he is in his *mode*- HE IS THREE YEARS OLD for Heavens sake-and I understand how a great parent, and involved parent can be manipulated by someone who seems to have the answers-espicially when you are weary.

But they do not always have the answers or even know what the heck they are talking about. I always say that just because someone has a PHD or DR. by their name does NOT always mean they know what they are talking about.

Many times they are guessing, well intentioned even BUT they don't even know your child like you do... Had it not been for my experience working with real disabled children and working with children labeled with ADD before I had children- I may be right where you are... I am telling you there are alternatives over my cold, dead body would I allow my child to be labeled ADD or disabled... and or to be drugged to slow him down. I am just sharing my experiences....

164 posted on 11/15/2005 7:08:54 AM PST by Diva Betsy Ross (Code pink stinks)
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To: tuckrdout
Was your ex-wife attracted to the same type of guy?

After 27 years, I can say I never laid a hand (or foot) on her. (can't say I was never tempted, there were nights when I left and slept in the car)

165 posted on 11/15/2005 7:23:14 AM PST by TC Rider (The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: Diva Betsy Ross
If broad brushing and generalizing makes you feel better then so be it.

I am ashamed of some who have posted on this thread.

No one likes fraud but to paint all children who have learning disabilities as fake is down right silly.
166 posted on 11/15/2005 7:28:49 AM PST by OKIEDOC (There's nothing like hearing someone say thank you for your help.)
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To: tuckrdout
Where do you get this information?

Obviously, the question is rhetorical.

167 posted on 11/15/2005 7:57:55 AM PST by Skooz (If you believe Adolf Hitler was a Christian, you are a blithering idiot.)
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To: Diva Betsy Ross

gifted kids, geniuses, and telling them they are not normal, they are disabled and then drugging them into submission- so they will sit quietly all day in school and stare off into space

Amd I thought they were just aliens!!! NOW I know their real secret.


168 posted on 11/15/2005 8:00:43 AM PST by moog
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To: moog

Amd???????--&*^&*^&^&^&^&&^&^&^&*(^* keyboard anyways:)


169 posted on 11/15/2005 8:04:44 AM PST by moog
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To: moog
Teachers and schools catch a lot of hell from the general public.

I have met very few teachers who were not genuine in their care for the students under their tutelage.

Lots of factors affect how we view those schools.

Many times it is not the teachers decision that causes lots of angst's.

Most of the times it is the kooks and idiots that make up the school boards.

These people are elected so make feel good decisions to keep being voted back into office.
170 posted on 11/15/2005 8:07:15 AM PST by OKIEDOC (There's nothing like hearing someone say thank you for your help.)
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To: OKIEDOC

Please tell me that you are not a teacher of any sorts. Your reading comprehension and critical thinking skills are horrible! IT is you who paints a broad brush. I know for a fact you have no idea what the heck you are talking about.. you are just looking for a fight. Try to stay on topic if you can- I am not talking about ALL learning disabilites- I am talking about learning differences and ADD/ADHD/misdiagnoses as a disability and scams in funding by public education. I never mentioned ALL learning disabilities....


171 posted on 11/15/2005 8:25:28 AM PST by Diva Betsy Ross (Code pink stinks)
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To: moog
Well if you think altering the life a child for profit is funny business- then I am very sorry for you as a human.
172 posted on 11/15/2005 8:26:47 AM PST by Diva Betsy Ross (Code pink stinks)
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To: OKIEDOC
Teachers and schools catch a lot of hell from the general public. I have met very few teachers who were not genuine in their care for the students under their tutelage. Lots of factors affect how we view those schools. Many times it is not the teachers decision that causes lots of angst's. Most of the times it is the kooks and idiots that make up the school boards. These people are elected so make feel good decisions to keep being voted back into office.

You are right, there are lots of factors, but cynicism, focusing on the negative, finding fault, blaming the other guy, and so on are all the rage now. Teachers are convenient to blame things on. I'm not saying all of them are innocent by no means and I am the first to detest those who lessen the profession, but most in my area are dedicated and quality individuals.

I have an added perspective as I live in the neighborhood where I teach. I deal quite easily with most of the criticism, but it's when it morphs into spreading gossip and things that are not true at all that I don't like. The grandma of one of my students said, "Why don't you guys teach phonics?" I said, "We do." She had heard from a neighbor that we didn't even though her grandson had been in my class the year before and had been my best reader, USING phonics. I have scratched my head a time or two wondering where someone got something.

If I had a penny for all the times I haven't gotten my way, then I would be a zillionaire. I rarely, if ever, get my way, but I make the best that I can with the situation and use it as a learning experience

A lot of my dislike for the gossip and such though comes from my OWN perspective of not being able to have a child. I often wish that I HAD the opportunity to complain as some do around here. It's been an 11 year wait so far, but hopefully in a few years I will be able to hold a child of my own in my arms. There won't be a day that will go by without me thanking God for that child. For now, I see how I can best serve others.

As for the school board, I have learned that you can't satisfy everyone ever (even though I'm dumb enough to try). I am lucky that I get direct access to my representative. He is the husband of a city council member. Since I go to city council meetings a lot, I have often had occasion to talk with him about a school issue. He is a pretty solid (in more ways than one:) guy. There are indeed some doofuses out there and if they are on the school board to promote their particular political agenda above everything else, they should indeed be voted out.

I love the parents and students whom I work with. Every year I get blessed. I wonder what purpose God has in store for me because he keeps giving this bumbling idiot so many dang chances.

173 posted on 11/15/2005 8:35:37 AM PST by moog
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To: Diva Betsy Ross
Well if you think altering the life a child for profit is funny business- then I am very sorry for you as a human.

Nice of you to put ideas that aren't there in my head. Are you an expert on mind control?

Now I know there is a government conspiracy to make those gifted children into zombies, but I think we need to identify the evil agents who are doing this. I think maybe we need to consult with Fox and Mulder.

No I don't think altering the life of a child for profit is funny business and neither does anyone else here it seems who have had to deal directly with the problem. Such should be an individual decision made on a case by case basis by the parents. I sure can't make that decision. Each case is different.

174 posted on 11/15/2005 8:41:24 AM PST by moog
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To: Diva Betsy Ross

"then I am very sorry for you as a human."

Who said I was human?


175 posted on 11/15/2005 8:42:29 AM PST by moog
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past; Skooz
Many many ADHD kids receive SSI benefits of $579.00 per month (you tax dollars) for having ADHD or some other "learning disability."

Yep, they do.

And once they get that, it opens up the entire Pandora's Box of funds from the government to them and the rest of their parents.

176 posted on 11/15/2005 8:45:20 AM PST by Howlin
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To: Howlin

And once they get that, it opens up the entire Pandora's Box of funds from the government to them and the rest of their parents.

They don't here. I think your point is right though.


177 posted on 11/15/2005 8:47:32 AM PST by moog
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To: Redbob
They tolerate his disruptive behavior, with a "Now Bradley, we don't act like that," when what the boy really needs is a swift kick in the pants!

I never have figured out why that isn't a violation of YOUR child's classroom rights.

178 posted on 11/15/2005 8:48:01 AM PST by Howlin
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To: moog

I read an article in Reader's Digest once about a family in Kentucky who had six kids on it; the whole family existed on the money.


179 posted on 11/15/2005 8:51:40 AM PST by Howlin
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To: Howlin
I read an article in Reader's Digest once about a family in Kentucky who had six kids on it; the whole family existed on the money. HOLY COW!!! We did have a lady here who would adopt kids with special needs to get the extra money. Years later she left her husband to become a lesbian--go figure. (not applying this to anyone else except here)

I am the oldest of eight children. We didn't have things like cable TV and video game systems (even though they were widely available), but we had what we needed, even though we didn't always get what we wanted. I shake my head at what we complain about nowadays like my neighbor who was almost in tears that they couldn't take 4 vacations this year. I take 1 vacation a year and that's to go back home to see my family. I never had my own room, but there's a LOT of people here who will move if one of their children do not. The people we bought our house from moved because it was getting too crowded with 7 people in 5 bedrooms.

180 posted on 11/15/2005 8:57:26 AM PST by moog
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