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I hate to see this happen. I think it may be the beginning of a large rift between evangelicals and catholics on the culture war, and we need each other to stay involved.
1 posted on 11/14/2005 5:12:54 AM PST by jodiluvshoes
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The Catholic Church has never believed in a literal translation of the Bible.


2 posted on 11/14/2005 5:14:45 AM PST by ContraryMary
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Pish-tosh. One Cardinal's personal opinion is not an official teaching of the Catholic Church, any more than my personal opinion is.

The MSM is cranking up these stories practically weekly, for the specific purpose of creating confusion ... just as they publicise every goofball who wants to talk about how "Christian" homosexuality is.


3 posted on 11/14/2005 5:15:14 AM PST by Tax-chick (I'm not being paid enough to worry about all this stuff ... so I don't.)
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Sorry, as a Catholic, I was never taught that evolution didn't occur.

Genesis was taught as metaphor. Something happened to God's creation through man's fall, but just what, we don't know.

The fact remains that man fell.


4 posted on 11/14/2005 5:18:02 AM PST by OpusatFR
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This isn't exactly news. There have been a couple of threads on it already.


9 posted on 11/14/2005 5:30:45 AM PST by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth; and the earth was without form, and void, and darkness was on the face of the deep..."

"In the beginning was the word; and the word was with God, and the word was God..."

"...a day with God is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as a day..."

(note: from memory, did not google up the Bible)

Scientific proofs of evolution do not debunk the Bible, nor does the Bible deny the validity of science. God set it in motion, whether six thousand years ago or four billion.
11 posted on 11/14/2005 5:33:08 AM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?")
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In fact Cardinal Paul Poupard, head of the Pontifical Council for Culture said that "if the Bible were read correctly" that the Genesis description of how God created the universe and Darwin's theory of evolution were "perfectly compatible."

Yeah, except that God created the plants before he created the sun and it would be kind of hard for plants to survive for any length of time without sunlight. They could've made it for a day without it, which is why the six day creation really is six days. If you subscribe to the creation worldview, I don't see how you could come to any other conclusion by the reading of Genesis.
12 posted on 11/14/2005 5:43:22 AM PST by JamesP81
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They see the need to expand...in mind and in body...for soul cleansing and also for profit. Since there is hardly any land to conquer and people to convert forcefully, why not * give in * ,somewhat, to new ideas...they have a business to run.

it's not like we have the original copy of the Bible on in our midths...times change, so do people.


15 posted on 11/14/2005 6:06:46 AM PST by kajingawd (" happy with stone underhead, let Heaven and Earth go about their changes")
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I hate to break it to you, but their already is a tremendous rift between Catholics and evangelicals. Jesus used metaphor and parable to make points in the sciptures, and the book of Genesis is no different. Do you really believe the world was repopulated by the two animals that survived on the ark? That is genetically impossible and that fact can be proven. One cannot continue a species from just a single pair. Also, how did the giant earthworm from the Australian subcontinent make it all the way to Noah's boat and back again. It can't swim. Perhaps it was carried by the African swallow?

Evangelicals and Catholics share many moral and theological beliefs, a tremendous respect for life being one of them. There are also a great many differences. Some of the seminal research on Cepheid Variable stars was done at a Catholic observatory by monks. This data provided additional support for the expanding universe theory "big bang". If I recall, Pope John Paul the Great met with Stephen Hawking and did not find the big bang theory in contradiction to church teachings.


18 posted on 11/14/2005 6:22:39 AM PST by WilliamWallace1999
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Atheistic scientists like to use Darwin to disprove Genesis.

Evangelicals like to use Genesis to disprove Darwin.

Catholics do not interpret Genesis literally, are not involved in this stupid fight and thus think both groups are nuts.


25 posted on 11/14/2005 6:48:59 AM PST by kidd
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........I think it may be the beginning of a large rift between evangelicals and catholics on the culture wa.......

On the contrary, I think it is a rift between the whacked out ID/Creationists, whose purpose it is to destroy the Conservative Movement, and normal people.

jodiluvshoes
Since Nov 10, 2005

BTW, welcome to FR!

33 posted on 11/14/2005 7:17:15 AM PST by DoctorMichael (The Fourth-Estate is a Fifth-Column!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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The Catholic church teaches that evolution was driven by God.

The modern Church is very open to scientific discoveries. They got a black eye with the whole Galileo affair and don't want to look like fools again.

42 posted on 11/14/2005 7:26:49 AM PST by A Ruckus of Dogs
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FLASH!!!! BELIEF OR NON-BELIEF IN A LITERAL TRANSLATION OF GENESIS HAS ZERO RELEVANCE TO WHETHER YOUR NAME IS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE!!!!!

That is all.


44 posted on 11/14/2005 7:27:00 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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I can't believe anyone would believe the Adam and Eve story....


47 posted on 11/14/2005 7:30:09 AM PST by Fawn (Try not---do or do not. ~~ Yoda)
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This is nothing new for the Catholic Church. Evolution was treated as scientific fact by the Jesuits who educated me decades ago.

The whole ID issue is too silly for words. Get off it already! And please, when commenting on Catholic teaching, know the facts.

59 posted on 11/14/2005 7:48:41 AM PST by beckett (Amor Fati)
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Boy, I'll bet Satan really is enjoying this discussion. People attacking others for things that happened 500 years ago; people of both faiths presuming to understand the beliefs and feelings of the others; Christians judging other Christians; accusations, hostility, anger. Just like the Reformation. Yep, he's no doubt glad that the old hatreds are still there, distracting Catholic and Protestant believers alike from fighting their common enemy.


65 posted on 11/14/2005 7:57:46 AM PST by Capriole (I don't have any problems that can't be solved by more chocolate or more ammunition.)
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Catholics have never beleived in the literal interpatation of the Old Testament. Evolution is thought to be the act of God expressing His will though the natural forces He created. Thus His Will Be Done any way He wants.


67 posted on 11/14/2005 8:00:15 AM PST by truemiester (If the U.S. should fail, a veil of darkness will come over the Earth for a thousand years)
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Oui Vey!


68 posted on 11/14/2005 8:00:40 AM PST by The Mayor ( As a child of God, prayer is kind of like calling home everyday.)
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Agreed.


71 posted on 11/14/2005 8:04:16 AM PST by moog
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It is truly sad that the Roman church rejects the Holy Word of G-d!

b'shem Y'shua

74 posted on 11/14/2005 8:06:45 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Y'shua <==> YHvH is my Salvation (Psalm 118-14))
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The Catholic Church NEVER disavowed evolution!!! Or stated that it is in conflict with the faith.... there are a lot of folks who are very very ignorant of the Catholic Church if they find this a shock. Since at least the 1950s if not before they have stated that it is NOT in conflict with the faith, and that it deserved further study.

The Catholic Church is not evangelical.. it does not teach that the bible is 100% literal, and never has. In fact, Saint Thomas Aquinas, in Summa Theologica published way way back in the 1200's, stated that evolution (change) in all things is one of the observable ways we can know God exists, because for any change to happen, something else must have changed first....... and for that previous thing to change, must have been acted on by something else... etc etc... which takes you back to the original creator which is God.

Change in all things, has been accepted as part of evidence of God's existence in Catholic Faith, since at least the 1200's. The notion that evolution conflicts with Catholicism is nonsense, and not accurate to the church's stand at all. Only ignorant Catholics, or evangelicals who aren't familiar with Catholicism are "shocked" to find out that the Church does not find evolution at conflict with the faith.


110 posted on 11/14/2005 8:35:28 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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