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To: ICE-FLYER
..."The 2nd law of thermodynamics had to be violated for the theory of evolution to move from idea to fact..."

Jeez-O-Pete I absolutely HATE this line when it appears. It is ABSOLUTELY incorrect to say that the theory of evolution violates the 2nd law of thermodynamics. It shows a complete lack of understanding of the 2nd law, chemistry, physics and the notion of a "closed system".

Let me enlighten you, Ice-Flyer, with a brief, and hopefully clearly understandable explanation of why this is so:

The Earth upon which we live is not a truly closed system. Gobs of Space Junk rains down on our planet. Stuff "leaks" out of our atmosphere. And and almost UNIMAGINABLE amount of energy is dumped into our planet from the Sun.

Molecules just lying around, minding their own business get positively PELTED by various forms of radiation, both from the Sun, as well as extra solar cosmic radiation. This energy allows molecules to be "kicked around" into states and configurations of a higher order and energy state. These more "complex" chemical molecules are futher subjected to bombardment, and they "climb" the ladder of stored chemical energy and complexity.

Now, If you look at this independently, you might make the mistake that the 2nd law is somehow being violated. By itself, the chemicals seem to be adding complexity and energy states all by themselves.

However, this is not the case. You see, the ENTIRE system includes the Sun as the energy source, and it indeed is running down. All our life, and for that matter, weather and geological processes ultimately rely on the Sun as a heat and power source. And the Sun is consuming VAST amounts of Hydrogen to liberate the energy to make this possible. And one day, it will run out, and the 2nd law is in no way violated.

As the Solar System in toto runs down, things will get cold and dead, and the 2nd law will be satisfied.

People do not violate the 2nd law by reproducing.

Wind does not violate the 2nd law by blowing, seemingly arising from nowhere.

You just have to find the source of the chemical/mechanical energy driving the reactions.
98 posted on 11/13/2005 5:15:27 PM PST by Rebel_Ace (Tags?!? Tags?!? We don' neeeed no stinkin' Tags!)
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To: Rebel_Ace

As I said in an earlier post, we're dealing with people who have no kinship to, no education in and no understanding of science. They insist, in their arguments here, that science conform to their uninformed beliefs.


108 posted on 11/13/2005 5:24:08 PM PST by Rudder
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To: Rebel_Ace

I accept your answer, Rebel_Ace. You're saying that we evolved from a combination of events ranging from the sun and its activity to the earth going from superheated surface to cooler surface to molicules coming in from space to then arrive on the planet through our atmosphere after the cooling period, to mix with others to have the suns heat and nutrition combine with that mixing to form yet more complex organisms to then on and on and on to today. Is this what you are saying?


129 posted on 11/13/2005 5:40:46 PM PST by ICE-FLYER (God bless and keep the United States of America)
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To: Rebel_Ace

Good post. Now I don't have to repeat it.


248 posted on 11/13/2005 7:22:09 PM PST by b_sharp (Ad space for rent.)
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