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To: CarolinaGuitarman
The problem were running into is ToE, assumes a random origin. However, evolution is not one theory, but a set. Many of which simply stick to what can be observed, and deductive reasoning. Others assume random origins of life, and according to Webster (def 4), is pretty easily argued as religion.

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=religion&x=19&y=18

I have no problem with religion, I have a problem with the 1st amendment and public funds used to enforce the religions of Atheism and Materialism over Christianity and Judaism.
474 posted on 11/14/2005 10:55:19 AM PST by Dead Dog
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To: Dead Dog
"The problem were running into is ToE, assumes a random origin. However, evolution is not one theory, but a set. Many of which simply stick to what can be observed, and deductive reasoning. Others assume random origins of life, and according to Webster (def 4), is pretty easily argued as religion."

1) Evolution has nothing to do with the origins of life, never has.

2) Abiogenesis, which is the scientific study of the origins of life, not evolution, is not about *random origins*.

3) Def. 4 from your Webster's link says,

"4 : a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith."


That is neither evolution or abiogenesis, which rely on physical evidence. Creationism and ID on the other hand ARE held with ardor and faith.

"I have no problem with religion, I have a problem with the 1st amendment and public funds used to enforce the religions of Atheism and Materialism over Christianity and Judaism."

Then you have no problem with evolution which has nothing to say about the existence or nonexistence of a deity.
478 posted on 11/14/2005 11:02:58 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: Dead Dog
"Others assume random origins of life, and according to Webster (def 4), is pretty easily argued as religion."

I hope you are referring to common descent rather than abiogenesis, because abiogenesis really isn't part of the ToE. Common descent may 'logically' be traced back to original life, but 'practically' doesn't really care about the origin of life. Common descent has enough evidence behind it that viewing it as a religion is a bit disingenuous.

I'm not really sure what you mean by 'random origin of life'. Since many of the chemicals necessary to life have been found in space and elements on the primeval earth had enormous amounts of energy available to organize into complex molecules, it seems life is the result of natural physical laws rather than purely random events.

505 posted on 11/14/2005 12:34:11 PM PST by b_sharp (Ad space for rent.)
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