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To: Sun
Evolution is not mathematically possible, too complex to have evolved by chance

How have you determined that it is not "mathematically possible"? Do you have a reference to the equations with justification for starting premises?

and where did the FIRST living cell come from?

Evolution does not care where the first living cell originated. All that matters is that a cell exists. Evolution does not depend on any specific method for a cell coming into existence, it only matters that the cell exists. Evolution starts after that cell (or those cells), thus the process by which that cell came to exist isn't relevant to the validity of the theory.

A theory is NOT a fact - no matter how many scientists study it - it is STILL not a fact.

The problem here is an apparent confusion on your part over the meaning of "theory" and "fact". A "fact" is simply a single statement of an observation. "It is raining" is a fact. "The ball fell when dropped" is a fact. Theories are far more complex than "facts". A "theory" is a general explanation for observed phenomenon. It is a complex series of statements that have been evaluated and used to make predictions that have borne out in testing in an attempt to explain an observed event -- essentially, a theory is an attempt to explain facts. Theories will never become facts. Comparing theories to facts is comparing apples and oranges. They are two different kinds of statements (well, one is a statement and another is a group of statements).

I do not understand the purpose for you to pound your head against the wall. I have never claimed that the theory of evolution is a fact. I understand that theories will never become "facts" because theories are far too complex to ever become something as simple as "fact".
501 posted on 11/15/2005 10:59:57 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Dimensio; Sun
The only head pounding going on is a demented sort of flailing about.

Wolf
506 posted on 11/15/2005 11:24:35 PM PST by RunningWolf (tag line limbo)
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To: Dimensio; RunningWolf

Hitting my head against the wall, because time is being wasted in schools teaching a theory, and pro-evos actually think that's OK. For the 100th time, I am NOT confused between a theory and a fact; I just think that IF one THEORY is taught, a competing theory should be taught.

theory = guesses
scientific theory = scientific guesses

If they must teach the evo THEORY, then they should also teach ID, so students can decide and think for themselves. But hey (I just had a brainstorm), maybe they don't WANT students to think for themselves.

DEVASTATING MATH PROBABILITIES
The possibilities of it occurring by chance are devastating.
"Based on probability factors . . any viable DNA strand having over 84 nucleotides cannot be the result of haphazard mutations. At that stage, the probabilities are 1 in 4.80 x 1050. Such a number, if written out, would read:
480,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.
--snip--
"There is enough storage capacity in the DNA of a single lily seed or a single salamander sperm to store in the Encyclopedia Britannicas."—*R. Dawkins, The Blind Watchmaker, pp. 115-116.

--snip--
http://www.pathlights.com/ce_encyclopedia/08dna04.htm

You said: "Evolution does not care where the first living cell originated."
Yeah, tell me about it. They don't care about any of it. They just want to "prove" a THEORY/guesses, any way, any how.


526 posted on 11/16/2005 10:31:51 AM PST by Sun (Hillary Clinton is pro-ILLEGAL immigration. Don't let her fool you. She has a D- /F immigr. rating.)
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