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Vietnam war critic warns of similarities with Iraq conflict
AP ^ | November 12, 2005 | ROSA CIRIANNI

Posted on 11/12/2005 4:07:54 PM PST by jmc1969

MAPLEWOOD, N.J. -- The man who leaked secret documents about the Vietnam war indicating the federal government had deceived the public, said he sees a lot of similarities between that war and the one being waged in Iraq.

Daniel Ellsberg, who became famous for his release of what became known as the "Pentagon Papers," spoke to a crowd of more than 400 people Saturday at a local high school in Maplewood.

During Saturday's talk, Ellsberg said both the Vietnam war and the war in Iraq were based on lies, referring to the failure to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

Ellsberg also sent out a special message to people working in the federal government today, urging them to speak up now about possible government misconduct they witness relating to the Iraq war.

The Harvard graduate, who has praised government whistleblowers who leak information about the Iraq war, said he wishes he had leaked the Pentagon Papers earlier, possibly ending the war sooner.

Ellsberg said Democratic leadership in Washington is essential for the nation to get out of Iraq, but according to Ellsberg, Democratic politicians are worried about the Bush administration labeling them as unpatriotic, weak on terrorism, or traitors _ something he said happened during the Vietnam era as well.

Ellsberg, who read from his book "Secrets A Memoir of Vietnam and the Pentagon Papers" that was published in 2002, predicted that Bush would want to push through a new Patriot Act that would make the existing one look "like the Bill of Rights."

Westfield resident, Diane Beeny, 48, came to the event wearing a black beret and several anti-war pins with mottos such as : "No War!," and "Military Spending is Killing Us! "

(Excerpt) Read more at nynewsday.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: ellsberg; handwringers
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To: afnamvet

Oh yes there are. A seditious near traitorous core of lying obsfucating anti-war activists who are trying to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory almost EXACTLY as they did to me and my comrades 36 years ago. The main difference is that they can't get away with the villification of the American soldier as they did then. For details on our military victory in Vietnam, I would refer you to UNHERALDED VICTORY: THE DEFEAT OF THE VIET CONG AND NORTH VIETNAMESE ARMY by Mark Woodruff.


41 posted on 11/12/2005 5:38:11 PM PST by DMZFrank
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To: Gumlegs

I agree. The only similarity is that the dimocRATS and the MSM are behaving the same way. Otherwise there is no comparison.


42 posted on 11/12/2005 5:50:51 PM PST by Parley Baer
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To: DMZFrank

See my post#40. I was there also in 68-69. My point was that OPERATIONALLY there are no simularities.


43 posted on 11/12/2005 5:55:47 PM PST by afnamvet
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To: afnamvet

I stand corrected. Operationally I think that the job is less diffucult owing to an even greater asymentry between the Islamist nutcase killers and our superb forces (including Iraquis) than was the case in Vietnam.


44 posted on 11/12/2005 6:01:46 PM PST by DMZFrank
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To: DMZFrank

And thank you sir for your service.


45 posted on 11/12/2005 6:04:07 PM PST by afnamvet
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To: afnamvet

And you for yours. And all of our brothers and sisters who comprise the great corp of patriots who have been enlisted to serve and maintain the freedom of the greatest nation in human history.


46 posted on 11/12/2005 6:11:09 PM PST by DMZFrank
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To: cripplecreek

It took us ten years and 58,000 KIA before we quit. Right now it took us three years and 2000 KIA before we have less than 50 percent support for the war. I hate to say this, the Vietnam Era Americans are a lot tougher than the 21st Century Americans.


47 posted on 11/12/2005 6:40:29 PM PST by Fee (`+Great powers never let minor allies dictate who, where and when they must fight.)
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To: jmc1969

It's common knowledge that Ellsberg is a nut job. After all, anyone who had to suffer through the 70's has heard of Daniel Ellsberg's psychiatrist. Hey Rocky, watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat!


48 posted on 11/12/2005 6:48:45 PM PST by KarinG1 (Some of us are trying to engage in philosophical discourse. Please don't allow us to interrupt you.)
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To: jmc1969; All

(Thanks to the best political cartoonist in this country, who is...a conservative! Eric Allie...)

49 posted on 11/12/2005 8:24:01 PM PST by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: Fee

Back then, they did not have the nearly 24 hour a day hammering away at it in the papers, television and radio that they have today.

They also did not have nearly the ENTIRE democratic party hammering away with negativity either.

But it is a good point you make.


50 posted on 11/12/2005 8:26:43 PM PST by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: jmc1969

"Westfield resident, Diane Beeny, 48, came to the event wearing a black beret and several anti-war pins with mottos such as : "No War!," and "Military Spending is Killing Us! "


If we want our military to rid the world of America's enemies, we must not be allocating our military spending efficiently...she is still with us.


51 posted on 11/12/2005 8:29:28 PM PST by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: jmc1969
Daniel Ellsberg, who became famous for his release of what became known as the "Pentagon Papers," spoke to a crowd of more than 400 people Saturday at a local high school in Maplewood.

Wow. More than 400 people listened to this idiot.

He is so furious that mass murdering dictator Saddam is out of power and millions of oppressed people have been liberated.

What a disgusting POS.

52 posted on 11/12/2005 8:32:28 PM PST by Jorge (Q)
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To: jmc1969

Daniel Ellsberg? - don't these people ever go away?......


53 posted on 11/12/2005 8:42:50 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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To: jmc1969
Iraq is the attempted encore performance by the dying MSM trying to resuscitate its glory days before the new media arrived to dig their grave.
54 posted on 11/12/2005 8:47:13 PM PST by TheForceOfOne
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To: Parley Baer

If I may ask, how did you come by your FR screen name?


55 posted on 11/13/2005 6:18:57 AM PST by Gumlegs
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To: oldironsides

I'm so sick of Ellsberg! He doesn't care if others die. He is on an Ego trip.


56 posted on 07/18/2006 12:45:34 PM PDT by siddude
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