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To: trashcanbred
Oh... I am sorry this whole post was about teaching children to read the bible in school. I am against it, you are for it.

No. It is not. If you read my post again,(here it is)

To: trashcanbred; Batrachian
The establishment clause prohibits the government from passing legislation to establish an official religion or preferring one religion over another. Also known as "separation of church and state".

Yeah, right.

The crier says, "God save the United States and this honorable court."

92 posted on 11/13/2005 10:33:07 AM EST by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)

you may notice no mention of Bible reading. Rather you will find a comment demonstrating your misguided reading of the Constitution. There is no separation of church and state mentioned anywhere in that document. It does mention that no law respecting an establishment of religion can be passed by Congress. That is what this argument is about. And at the moment you are on the side of Kennedy, Schumer and their ilk who think that judges can read whatever they want into the Constitution. They are going to make a great attempt to defeat Alito because of his viewpoint that you don't read things into the Constitution that are not there.

And no, I did not try to bolster my argument by quoting a law. I provided a background for the images I posted. Do you see a quote of a law here or a quote of the webpage pointed to by the link above my quote...(repeated here)

http://www.nd.edu/~rbarger/www7/neprimer.html
In the 1700's schools in the colonies were strongly influenced by religion. It was the intent of the colonists that all children should learn to read and in 1642 Puritan Massachusetts passed a law stating this. They believed that an inability to read was Satan's attempt to keep people from the Scriptures.

This quote was to give background to the NEP and the next paragraph, from a different source, gave how it was used and who used it. Now that is three sources, one more pointing to the page having links for the images, for the NEP to show that separation of church and state was not in the Constitution up to the 20th century. You will note that the 14th amendment was ratifed in 1868. This supposed law of the land(separation of church and state) was not discovered until 1947 tracing its validity to an amendment ratified 79 years prior. Lots of dumb justices were in office during that period. We have a similar situation now. Congress is ready to pass a law because the Supreme Court again imagined a power not in the Constitution, the ability for a government to take the property of an individual and cede it to another individual.

Now as to your red herring. I will not answer it, until you concede that the words "separation of church and state" are nowhere to be found in the United States Constitution.

141 posted on 11/14/2005 4:53:11 PM PST by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: AndrewC
Now as to your red herring. I will not answer it, until you concede that the words "separation of church and state" are nowhere to be found in the United States Constitution

Sure... I will concede if it will get you to answer my question about why you want to teach my children the bible in school when I don't want you to. In the end that is really all I want to know.

142 posted on 11/14/2005 5:51:31 PM PST by trashcanbred (Anti-social and anti-socialist)
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