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To: Batrachian
re: It's unfalsifiable.)))

This phrase is an incessant cheap among the evobirdies. Is it a neologism, or does it simply mean, "it cannot be proven false"? Either way, it won't work as an incantation to wave away opposition.

Evolution serves as a superb paradigm in educating new biology students into the structure and categorization of plant and animal nature. Family tree, if you will. As a paradigm, we can't do without it.

Other than that--you start getting into what looks a lot like dogma. We all remember the hilarious "march to homosapiens" pictures which were supposed to convince us all that one species springs fortuitously from another--all the way from a spider monkey (with tail!) to the guy in the grey flannel suit.

And a lot of us remember that chart becoming defunct, and large questionings opening up about the actual descent of man. But we were supposed to cling to the underlying theory of progressive speciation on pain of being called "nutcases" or "knuckledraggers" "fundamentalist nose-pickers" or any such insult designed to guard against a teaching franchise being threatened!

I happen to think the obvious and least painful solution is for a scientist to behave like a scientist, and not deal in dogma at all, but deal in the limitations of the speciation stories. There's so much to teach about flora and fauna--stop playing evo priest.

And the way evos behave on the FR board lead me to believe that it is priesthood they are after--they want to preach what they want to preach and deal with no heresies. Watching them here over the past few years, looking at their posting histories (they generally post to few threads other than evo-crevo issues) and their arrogant tone--they don't even seem to be interested in conservatism itself, just in having the opportunity to find conservative Christians and rattle their cages.

13 posted on 11/12/2005 8:59:47 AM PST by Mamzelle (.)
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To: Mamzelle

Is your objection to the theory of evolution based on scientific grounds, or is it based on your religious convictions?


29 posted on 11/12/2005 10:15:10 AM PST by Batrachian
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To: Mamzelle
re: It's unfalsifiable.)))

This phrase is an incessant cheap among the evobirdies. Is it a neologism, or does it simply mean, "it cannot be proven false"? Either way, it won't work as an incantation to wave away opposition.


FWIW it's standard English, derived from falsify, earliset use of which in my OED is 1502.

It's current use in re science started getting recognition as a means of distinguishing science from non-science in the 1960s, I believe, at the tail end of the demise of Logical Positivism, which used a Verifiability Principle in a similar way.

Evolution serves as a superb paradigm in educating new biology students into the structure and categorization of plant and animal nature. Family tree, if you will. As a paradigm, we can't do without it... Other than that--you start getting into what looks a lot like dogma.

You could be on to something there. Could be used heuristically for new biology students, if it's all that important, much as The Church was quite happy to allow a Copernican heuristic to describe planetary motion. It was hot headed priests and physicists who were the troublemakers. I believe today's Vatican is OK with a nuanced approach as well.
30 posted on 11/12/2005 10:26:32 AM PST by caveat emptor
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To: Mamzelle
"And the way evos behave on the FR board lead me to believe that it is priesthood they are after--they want to preach what they want to preach and deal with no heresies. Watching them here over the past few years, looking at their posting histories (they generally post to few threads other than evo-crevo issues) and their arrogant tone--they don't even seem to be interested in conservatism itself, just in having the opportunity to find conservative Christians and rattle their cages."

There is the famous line by one of those folks that was the 'shot across the bow', so to speak--the phrase 'conservatives are retards'--that has me casually determined to show those folks for what they are. They exhibit similar characteristics to trolling behavior ( or at least flame baiting )--posting a thread, laying on the insults prety thickly, then, when called on it, leave that particular thread and move on to another.
The shameful part is, there are some very sharp folks on this forum that appear to have allowed themselves to be shanghaied into lending credibility to such behavior. A word of warning to those folks--while it is unfortunate, guilt by association is still a human failing, and it would be a good thing to take stock of that before ( rightly or wrongly ), people begin to hang the same label on you as they are on the more egregious elements.

34 posted on 11/12/2005 10:49:02 AM PST by Tench_Coxe
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To: Mamzelle

"And the way evos behave on the FR board lead me to believe that it is priesthood they are after--they want to preach what they want to preach and deal with no heresies. Watching them here over the past few years, looking at their posting histories (they generally post to few threads other than evo-crevo issues) and their arrogant tone--they don't even seem to be interested in conservatism itself, just in having the opportunity to find conservative Christians and rattle their cages."

Amen Mamzelle;

That's why I believe we have visitors from DU here, especially the one's who are great at calling everyone a liar who doesn't walk lock-step with them.

I sure wouldn't want to be in their shoes when they come face to face with our AWESOME God!


35 posted on 11/12/2005 10:51:18 AM PST by Ready2go (Isa 5:20 Destruction is certain for those who say that evil is good and good is evil;)
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To: Mamzelle

"And the way evos behave on the FR board lead me to believe that it is priesthood they are after--they want to preach what they want to preach and deal with no heresies. Watching them here over the past few years, looking at their posting histories (they generally post to few threads other than evo-crevo issues) and their arrogant tone--they don't even seem to be interested in conservatism itself, just in having the opportunity to find conservative Christians and rattle their cages."

I couldn't agree more.


37 posted on 11/12/2005 11:01:45 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: Mamzelle
And the way evos behave on the FR board lead me to believe that it is priesthood they are after--they want to preach what they want to preach and deal with no heresies. Watching them here over the past few years, looking at their posting histories (they generally post to few threads other than evo-crevo issues) and their arrogant tone--they don't even seem to be interested in conservatism itself, just in having the opportunity to find conservative Christians and rattle their cages.

Yep.

You know what is even funny about it? The “Big Bang” theory was first advanced by a Jesuit astronomer!

Both the “Big Bang” and the theory of evolution (the ‘origin of species’) are based on an idea of a singularity. Both are admissions the universe and life itself are immaculate conceptions!

74 posted on 11/12/2005 6:16:51 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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