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If it's so "worth repeating" then why is it I have three personal sources who in two different wars saw the exact opposite first hand? That using psychlogical and mild physical means of information extraction did work, and the information was not only factual but useful. Those who say it is not, have either not tried it, or didn't do it correctly. If done properly by someone who knows what they're doing, they can get the truth without leaving a cut or a bruise and without inflicting pain in most cases, because most prisoners, especially among the terrorits, are weak minded fanatics who are not trained in resisting information extraction, either by psychological or minimal physical means.

Tell me you are certain that this wouldn't work half the time. If you have an individual, a terrorist, that you KNOW has credible intelligence, but has refused to divulge it, and you play a tape in the next room of a "prisoner" (an actor) screaming and talking in the prisoners language, giving up information and names that the real prisoner knows is real information, hearing the voice beg for mercy, and then the screaming stops, replaced by sobbing, and a door opens and closes next door.

Then, another door opens and closes, and the process repeats, only the second "prisoner" (taped actor) doesn't talk, spouts some obscenities, and the real prisoner then promptly hears a gunshot, a "thud" on the floor, a voice telling someone to clean up the mess, then silence, and a door opening and closing again.

Then the door to the real prisoners room opens and rolled in on a tray is various apparently bloody tools, battery with cables, blades, needles, and other similar items, in addition to a gun which still smells of gun powder, all brought in by several large very intimidating looking men, with "blood" (fake) on their clothing, one of them mumbling something to the effect of "we've got this one, and seven more, and not a lot of time to jack around, so lets get to it", something like that in a language the prisoner would understand.

The real prisoner has already been strapped to an uncomfortable chair, given minimal amounts of food and water, little sleep, and alternating heat and cold, barking dogs brought in to circle him periodically, while loud music or white noise blares in the room, giving them no indication of the passage of time with no windows for several days, and then you come in the room with all those items on tables, and he hears the same voice as the other two times start asking the same questions. A person not trained in resisting that kind of treatment will tell you what they want to know more often than not. And you haven't had to lay a finger on them, and you haven't done anything that has harmed them permanently.

And since we're talking about terrorists who plant road side bombs, blow up busses, and kill unarmed men woman and children, don't tell me about the scares that treatment has done to them psychologically. Anyone that does those kinds of things in the name of "allah" is already scarred WAY beyond what the treatment I have outlined could POSSIBLY do to them. Please read all that I have said here and tell me that you are so sure this and similar techniques do not and would not work, and then tell me how they can POSSIBLY be defined as "torture" in the same category as the muslims beheading our troops, and any civilians who are on our side, even other muslims. Come on.

Oh, and I forgot, I would also place on the trays brought into the room with the real terrorist prisoner, containers of bacon, pork grease, and pig blood, making sure he got a good look at it, and if he seems like he won't talk, take a hand full of the bacon dipped in blood and grease, hold it in one hand, inches from the terrorist, and the recently fired gun in the other hand, and ask the questions over and over, moving the pork matter closer and closer in sweeps everytime a question is asked. If that doesn't break them, then they likely don't know anyhting, because they know that if they die after being touched by anything from a pig, they go to hell, no virgins, and what fun is that for a murdering terrorist who has killed civilians?