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To: samtheman

What you are saying is of course true, in terms of what can happen now. Think of this, too: Today on the streets of Jordan ordinary citizens were marching and crying out that last night's wedding murders have nothing to do with Islam. We need to keep encouraging that, to be a light to the hopes of ordinary people everywhere, and if there are prisoners lying lonely and terrified and tormented in an American-run prison in Romania, who are innocent, then we are just different from our enemies but not better, and if we're not better, why should the ordinary citizens on the streets of Aman or Cairo or Jakarta look to our way as a better way? The rules of due process in the Constitution reflect universal and, I believe, divinely ordained truths. Do divinely ordained truths come with geographical or ethnic borders?


33 posted on 11/10/2005 1:43:56 PM PST by Nick5
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To: Nick5
...crying out that last night's wedding murders have nothing to do with Islam.

They march in the street because the attack was on them. You didn't see the same outrage when the attack was on the U.K. or for that matter on the U.S.

35 posted on 11/10/2005 1:54:48 PM PST by Dan(9698)
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To: Nick5

You express fine sentiments, and express them well. All worthy goals. But what I read between your lines (and I apologize if I'm reading wrong) is that you don't really trust our guys to have a pretty damn good idea of who it is they have locked up and I'm not sure you see a huge difference between our guys getting tough with a suspected terrorist and a dictatorship getting tough with somebody who just wants freedom of speech. Let's forget about appearances for a moment, and talk about reality. You do see a difference, right?


38 posted on 11/10/2005 2:13:47 PM PST by samtheman
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To: Nick5
... if there are prisoners lying lonely and terrified and tormented in an American-run prison in Romania, who are innocent, then we are just different from our enemies but not better, and if we're not better, why should the ordinary citizens on the streets of Aman or Cairo or Jakarta look to our way as a better way?

I've got news for you. The chances of "innocent" prisoners being in one of those prisons is practically zero and nil - and "nil" is winning.

These killers are well-vetted before they even get the chance of being an honored guest in one of these places.

Shed not a tear for any of these vicious murderers. You're wasting your time and your tears. Shed them instead for their tortured, dead victims. Rather, just pray they never again see the light of day - especially in your neighborhood or the neighborhood of somebody you love!

48 posted on 11/10/2005 2:54:40 PM PST by Gritty ("The more Islamists step on our toes, the more we waltz them gaily round the room" - Mark Steyn)
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