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To: Doctor Stochastic
I will admit in one discussion posting, in a bit of thoughtlessness, a blanket statement that "creationists are liars". Which is, of course, not what I really believe. What I believe is that most creationists that I have observed are liars. I am aware of the existence of a few non-lying creationists, which is why I usually phrase general statements about creationists with such a caveat, but I have been a bit hasty now and then.
156 posted on 11/10/2005 11:31:16 AM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Dimensio

Perhaps the creationists are all descended from Creteans.


177 posted on 11/10/2005 12:05:47 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Dimensio

Romans 1:18-25, as always, is appropriate to quote in these discussions:

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,

19 because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them.

20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.

21 For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing to be wise, they became fools,

23 and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them.

25 For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.


I quote this not because I have any illusions about you reading it and changing your worldview - you are obviously quite proud of it and have no intention of leaving it - but because in your post you say this:

"What I believe is that most creationists that I have observed are liars."

When the discussion comes to the point of who is lying, it is of little value to point at each other and declare that the other party is lying, unless you can appeal to the Ultimate Authority Source and see what the Truth is. Then you can see whose ideas and statements line up with revealed truth, and whose do not.

What is the ultimate lie? That there is no God.

What does evolution teach? That there is no God.

Therefore, anyone who accepts the philosophy/religion of evolution is embracing a lie. Some parrot the evolution mantra with little or no research of their own and so cannot be said to be "liars" in a strict sense. Then of course, there are others who actively promote the dogmas of evolution, who research it, defend it, "explain" it, etc. These people do not act in ignorance as the former group, and thus can appropriately be called "liars" - because they knowingly embrace a lie. I say knowingly, because you can't get very far into the whole religion of evolution without realizing that it is inherently anti-God, and thus early on you must make the choice to pursue what you know to be a godless idea, or not.








198 posted on 11/10/2005 12:59:45 PM PST by music_code (Atheists can't find God for the same reason a thief can't find a policeman.)
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