Posted on 11/10/2005 4:43:24 AM PST by Nicholas Conradin
Exodus 20:20-21 is the word of God.
The Literal translation of the verse is more like this:
`And when a man smiteth his man-servant or his handmaid, with a rod, and he hath died under his hand--he is certainly avenged; only if he remain a day, or two days, he is not avenged, for he is his money. (Exo 21:20-21 YLT)
Do you believe any of the Bible? If so, on what authority do you pick and choose verses that you believe are not the Inspired Word of God?
Is your Moral sense better than that of the God of Moses?
Do you believe in the God of Moses?
We see slavery in our times as an evil. Other nations, to this day, do not. In fact, often, death was the alternative to being enslaved. Which is better, slavery or death? As an evolutionist, you have but one answer.
Why would we add unmeasureable entities into the equation? And how is God variable? Does the sun rising every morning takes 12 God-units, while the smell of a flower represents half a God-unit?
So far, science has tried to work without worrying about how much force God applies to individual physical processes. Gravitational theory is written without worrying about if it's God or not doing the pushing ...
I'm wondering how you are trying to convince someone that words inspired by God take precedence over words he's receiving directly from God?
The Literal translation of the verse is more like this:
`And when a man smiteth his man-servant or his handmaid, with a rod, and he hath died under his hand--he is certainly avenged; only if he remain a day, or two days, he is not avenged, for he is his money. (Exo 21:20-21 YLT)
First, I don't think that's the translation that has been accepted for many hundreds of years.
Second, if you accept that there can be translations that significantly change the meaning of God's 'Word', then how can you be sure the 6 day creation translation isn't an inaccurate translation?
Third, the treatment of the subject is essentially the same, only the name has changed from 'slave' to 'man-servant or his handmaid'.
You choose to override what you know in your heart in favor of a few thousand words penned by men two-and-a-half millennia ago. In your heart you know we are all children of God, and a father doesn't favor one child over another. Or maybe you don't. Whatever. If you want to believe that God only talks to a select "special" few, then go ahead. To each his own. Belief does not change reality, though.
The message of the Old Testament is explained in the New.
God wasn't thrilled about divorce or multiple marriage, but he permitted it. The same with slavery. It becomes clear in the New Testament that it is not the ideal
What do you think was his purpose for permitting those things?
Do you keep Saturday (the Sabbath) holy?
Who says it? He does. Which means I'm wondering how you're trying to convince him otherwise ... he's probably wondering why you don't believe he's hearing from God, instead trusting some old book.
I mean, it's an amusing conversation between you two, to be sure, but I don't think it's going to lead anywhere.
Peer review means replication of your experiments or observations. If such replication holds up under peer review, then it passes. Have the IDers submitted anything for peer review?
This was beautifully written. Thank you. :)
What is your point?
The Words of the torah bible are 6 hundred thousand, , not a few thousand.
I just said, God talks to .his flock daily.
Now, I am going to go watch that stupid "Survivor" show. Why, I dont know. I cant remember from week to week who those idiots are, or why I care. later, gator After awhile, crocodile
Translation is a critical issue. Anything that makes it more accurate is important.
The Apostle Paul, however, said: "1Co 7:21 -
Were you called while a slave? It should not be a concern to you. But if you can become free, by all means take the opportunity. "
We see slavery in our times as an evil. Other nations, to this day, do not. In fact, often, death was the alternative to being enslaved. Which is better, slavery or death? As an evolutionist, you have but one answer.
What? 'Which is better, slavery or death? As an evolutionist, you have but one answer.' Your going to have to explain this statement. What's that have to do with the following
Exodus 21:20-21: "If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property"
And I repeat...Since this is the literal word of God and God says 'the slave is his property' it's follows that God thinks slavery is OK. There is no condemnation of slavery here.
Or medication. I'm a firm believer in better living through chemistry. However, I think I'd miss the voice in my head if that were to happen.
What is your point?
As I already stated....If you accept that there can be translations that significantly change the meaning of God's 'Word', (example, that slavery is OK) then how can you be sure the 6 day creation translation isn't an inaccurate translation?
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