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Is Intelligent Design a Bad Scientific Theory or a Non-Scientific Theory?
Tech Central Station ^ | 11/10/2005 | Uriah Kriegel

Posted on 11/10/2005 4:43:24 AM PST by Nicholas Conradin

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To: ml1954

indeed it is


381 posted on 11/10/2005 6:05:14 PM PST by zeeba neighba (no crocs!)
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To: Junior

You would ask that, doggonit!

I'll let you decide for yourself whether you've ever in your life stolen anything at all.

Try: http://www.allaboutlifechallenges.org/marital-infidelity.htm

Shere (sp) Hite's work showed infidelity up to 70%.....that's from memory based on a master's level Human Sexuality class I had at Kansas State in about 1995.


382 posted on 11/10/2005 6:06:34 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: zeeba neighba

indeed it is

That's all I wanted to know.

383 posted on 11/10/2005 6:06:52 PM PST by ml1954 (NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads)
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To: music_code
Mutations have been observed, and in 99.9% of all cases they prove harmful to the organism

Fascinating. Could you point me to a citation for this statistic?

Natural selection by itself makes no new things.

Of course it doesn't. There needs to be a difference in individuals in a species ... through mutation, for example ... for natural selection to have something to "select".

It is actually the permanent loss of information.

Really? I've heard of something called "recessive genes" that are still in the DNA ... not permanently lost ...

It is not the creative, uphill, limitless process imagined by Darwin.

Limitless? Part of the TOE is that there ARE limits ... whatever mutations exist that can be selected for ... a cat's not going to give birth to a kitten with jet engines, for instance, as what mutation would cause that.

Although it would be cool.

384 posted on 11/10/2005 6:07:49 PM PST by bobhoskins (:))
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To: js1138

"In what way is it scientific to assume that an unsolved problem has no solution?"

ID doesn't assume that. People falsely say it does, but it doesn't. I'm assuming of course that finding the cause of the origin of life, and the specified complexity of organisms, is a problem that can be solved. Maybe I don't understand your question?


385 posted on 11/10/2005 6:07:52 PM PST by gobucks (Blissful Marriage: A result of a worldly husband's transformation into the Word's wife.)
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To: Junior
I'm an evolutionist and I know there's a God...

That's not that unusual anymore.

But there are definitely some philosophical challenges that go along with any perspective that includes God.

At some point, all of us, creationist/ID/theistic evolutionist are overwhelmed by the idea of God's eternity.

386 posted on 11/10/2005 6:11:00 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: zeeba neighba
God does talk to everyone. Most don't listen. Some ignore Him. Some follow other dictates (which they claim come from God). Some hear Him but twist His words to mean something completely different.

Everyone is a child of God; why wouldn't God speak to His progeny? There is no special club or caste one must belong to in order to have God speak to him.

387 posted on 11/10/2005 6:11:41 PM PST by Junior (From now on, I'll stick to science, and leave the hunting alien mutants to the experts!)
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To: ml1954

You're welcome. Interestingly enough, it was given to the Jewish nation in a time when they themselves were slaves. It has always been an admonishment of God's, that the Jewish people would live among the nations, and that they would obey the laws of those nations. However, when the people realized that God's law transcends man's law, they would disobey that law. therefore you find Christians, both in the past and now, at the forefront in the outlawing of slavery.


388 posted on 11/10/2005 6:11:47 PM PST by zeeba neighba (no crocs!)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

I know what Darwin said. I know what his eugenics associates said. And I know what a lot of people claim about evolution in order to shove God out of the picture.

But I have no idea what you're trying to say. Brilliant reply.


389 posted on 11/10/2005 6:12:03 PM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
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To: Junior

Festival of the Chatty Troll


390 posted on 11/10/2005 6:12:56 PM PST by longshadow
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

Name one that convincingly deduces that God does not exist.


391 posted on 11/10/2005 6:12:58 PM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
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To: Junior

God absolutely does not talk to everyone. That is Gnosticism. You might want to examine your beliefs.


392 posted on 11/10/2005 6:13:38 PM PST by zeeba neighba (no crocs!)
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To: zeeba neighba

You're welcome.

Thanks. I've learned on this thread that some people think that both God created the universe in 6 days and that slavery is OK with the same God.

393 posted on 11/10/2005 6:14:41 PM PST by ml1954 (NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
"I know what Darwin said. I know what his eugenics associates said. And I know what a lot of people claim about evolution in order to shove God out of the picture."

I doubt you have ever read Darwin at all. Evolution has nothing to say about the existence of a God. Just like every other scientific theory.

"But I have no idea what you're trying to say. Brilliant reply."

I don't doubt that. And yes, it was a brilliant reply. Your response on the other hand...
394 posted on 11/10/2005 6:14:58 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: xzins

I've been known to stick pens in my pocket at work and forget about them till after I got home. Not intentional, but I've done it. That's a far cry from hitting on someone else's wife. One's a sin of omission and the other of commission.


395 posted on 11/10/2005 6:15:17 PM PST by Junior (From now on, I'll stick to science, and leave the hunting alien mutants to the experts!)
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To: ml1954

In that time and in those places, slavery was a fact of life. It is a fact of life today. Who, other than christians, speak out against it?


396 posted on 11/10/2005 6:16:09 PM PST by zeeba neighba (no crocs!)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

"Name one that convincingly deduces that God does not exist."

None. And that includes evolution. None can deduce God exists either.


397 posted on 11/10/2005 6:16:11 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: Junior

My pet desires are that our future generations are not brainwashed through the public-education system into accepting a secular-humanist view of life. That is, of having an open mind.

Schools can't even read a statement that there may be some originating energy source that set all this in motion?

If your teachings cannot tolerate a little competition -- that has serious backing from large parts of the scientific community (of course, you discount it because you begin the experiment biased as to the outcome) -- then it is your pet desire that has yet to pass the test.


398 posted on 11/10/2005 6:16:12 PM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel
And I have no problem with Evolution being taught -- in a policsci or civics class.
399 posted on 11/10/2005 6:16:50 PM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
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To: Nicholas Conradin

It is not a theory. It is, at best, a hypothesis but not a hypothesis in science. It more properly belongs in philosophy or theology.


400 posted on 11/10/2005 6:17:24 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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