Is Intelligent Design a Bad Scientific Theory or a Non-Scientific Theory?

Tech Central Station ^ | 11/10/2005 | Uriah Kriegel

[P-Marlowe]

You therefore claimed he wrote Genesis 1 and 2 with his own hand on tablets made of stone (that's where the creations stories are).

I made no such assertion.

Why are you talking about the 10 Commandments?

The Ten Commandments were written by the hand of God on tablets of Stone (unless Moses and Jesus were both liars).

I suspect you may have never actually read the Ten Commandments, so I understand your ignorance. If you believe Moses or the Bible (or Christ's confirmation of the events) you will note that the following statement was written by the hand of God upon the Stone Tablets which Moses brought down from the mountain:

For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. (Exodus 20:11 KJV)

Do you happen to believe what God wrote with his own hand? Was God mistaken? Or was Moses a fraud? If Moses was a fraud, did he fool Jesus as well? Wouldn't that make Jesus a fool?

[JohnnyM]

Did Jesus walk on water?
Did Jesus resurrect Lazarus?
Did Jesus turn water into wine?
Did Jesus heal a blind man?
Did Jesus rise from the dead?

What makes these events any more reliable/plausible than the ones you mentioned (assuming you are a Christian)?

JM

[Junior]

Since when does God speak of Himself in the third person? That passage sounds more like someone speaking for God.

[Antonello]

But this is an invalid test, since the creationists did not claim to be able to classify species simply by a single fossil (in this case a skull), and I'm sure they would agree that they could not. Classification is based on more than just a single fossil or a skull.

Are you saying that, given nothing more than a skull to work with, a forensic anthropologist would not be able to distinguish between a modern chimp skull and a modern human one?

[Junior]

...since the creationists did not claim to be able to classify species simply by a single fossil ...<> But they most certainly did. That matrix was culled from their own assertions that each fossil was either a man or an ape.

[Sofa King]

"Im sure there are differences in certain organs and the like, but I couldn't tell which ones and how so."

Then you should consult a zoologist on just how different they are before just being sure of it.

"Our brains are different sizes."

Once again, you can tell the size of an animals brain by examining the skull which contains it. This is even more rudimentary than determining muscle structure.

"Our nose and ears are different."

No so much.



The ears are almost exactly like ours, aside from being a little larger in proportion to the skull- but this is only consistant with most of a human's facial features as compared to a chimp that can be seen from the skull. The nose appears to be flatter, but that is mostly because the chimp's skull protrudes much more in that area.

(By the way: here is a picture of a chimp skull. Do you really think you would find it difficult to differentiate between it and a human skull? Notice how small the brain casing is.)

[P-Marlowe]

Did Methuselah really live to be 969 years old?

Yes.

Did Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego really walk in the fire.

Yes

Did one man, Noah, really build a boat large enough to contain two of every species and the food required to feed them for 40 days and the time afterwards required for the waters that covered the Earth to receed?

No one ever said he did it alone. I suspect he had help. But then he did have 120 years to complete the task. That's less than 10 linear feet of boat per year.

And when the water receeded, where did it go? Since all the Earth was covered with water, it couldn't have gone into the oceans, since they were already filled with water. Where did the water go?

You don't believe in miracles, do you? Did Jesus heal a man born blind? Did Jesus walk on water? Did Jesus turn water into wine? Did Jesus rise from the dead?

BTW Jesus confirmed the story of Noah. Was Jesus mistaken? Was Jesus a fraud? Or was he misquoted?

Don't confuse Bible stories with God's works. They can be very different.

Don't confuse your unbelief with faith.

[Junior]

Because both claimed they were direct revelations from the God...

Why did the Hebrews need to be told these things by God, but other societies were able to work it out for themselves?

You see, we have numerous data points of other societies coming up with similar codes; why should we accept Divine intervention for the Hebrew version? Simply because a book says that's the way it was?

Would that you were to examine your personal beliefs as thoroughly as you claim to examine scientific findings.

[ml1954]

When God wrote with his own hand on tablets of stone that in six days He made "heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is" was he lying or just mistaken?

Genesis was written on tablets of stone? I thought it was the commandments.

[Sofa King]

Images that work:

[Junior]

The underlying truth is the rules for living together with your neighbors. Jesus spoke in parables, which were both true and fictional.

[Antonello]

Genesis was written on tablets of stone? I thought it was the commandments.

No, stone sounds about right.

[P-Marlowe]

Genesis was written on tablets of stone? I thought it was the commandments.

That statement about the six day creation comes from the Ten Commandments (Exodus Chapter 20).

Have you read them?

[Junior]

Would you be unreservedly dedicated to not making a profit under any circumstance whatsoever?

To the same extent as Jimmy Swaggart, you betcha.

[Sofa King]

More fun with pictures:

Human skull

Chimp skull

Notice the protursion of bone where the human nose starts. Notice how the chimp doesn't have that.

[MindBender26]

There you go posting pictures of Mrs. Kerry again, before the facelift and excess hair removal.

[zeeba neighba]

Just lurking, passing thru. Creationists are awesome, respectful and logical. Evolutionists are losing on the issues and resorting to name calling.

lying, clownish, worthless, cowardly troll who can't spell, think, or understand logic? just one comment, proving point

[ml1954]

That statement about the six day creation comes from the Ten Commandments (Exodus Chapter 20).

Nothing in there about Genesis being written on stone tablets. Did you make that up?

[xzins]

The underlying truth is the rules for living together with your neighbors. Jesus spoke in parables, which were both true and fictional.

So, they lied about a guy named Moses meeting God, they lied about God giving him tablets, they lied about God writing commandments on those tablets, and they lied about this happening on Mt Sinai...

BUT.....

The moral code introduced by all this fiction is true?

To be honest with you, there is nothing provably true within that code.

It really doesn't make any difference if I steal your wife, your money, and your donkey.

If I get away with it, tough luck for you.

If I don't, tough luck for me. The world goes on.

Those rules don't mean sh_t unless God gave them.

[Dimensio]

My point being that the laws and the waves that we encounter in life have a logical and intelligent use to them.

That "point" wasn't very clear from your incoherent rambling.

The being is the Author of Biology, Chemistry, Physics, Zoology, etc.

So you assert, but you've not provided a single bit of evidence to support your claim.

The major problem of evolution is that it operates within a finite boundary while dismissing things that are infinite and transcendent.

So your criticism of evolution is that it confines itself to a specific scope and doesn't make supernatural claims, exactly like every other theory in science?

While evolutionist have the process of life taking so many billions of years, creationists who believe in an infinite God realize that the whole process could have taken one day or one hour.

Why do you discount theists who accept the theory of evolution? Are they inconvenient to your talking points?

Why six days? For our benefit in order to give us a pattern for work. In regards to age, everything was designed mature.

So the universe isn't really billions of years old, it just looks that way to anyone who analyzes the physical evidence rationally. Can you support this claim with evidence, or do you think that your conjecture should be taken as absolute established fact?