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To: anymouse

Does this put Judaism in a bit of a quandary?

The Jewish calendar presently starts at what Roman
calendars (presently Gregorian) call 3761 BC.

For Jews to celebrate this discovery as their roots,
it would seem that they need to officially acknowledge
that their former official year zero isn't.


3 posted on 11/09/2005 5:25:20 PM PST by Boundless
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To: Boundless

What do you mean? They had writing 1000 - 1100 BCE!


10 posted on 11/09/2005 6:04:01 PM PST by the_daug
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11 posted on 11/09/2005 6:08:20 PM PST by Alouette (Gaza: Too small to be a country, too large to be an insane asylum (thanx: Pettigru).)
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To: Boundless

Muslims will claim it never happened. They will claim they had an alphabet 15, 000 BC. Yeah, I know that was a bit before Mohammed was hatched.


14 posted on 11/09/2005 6:11:47 PM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: Boundless
Why?
If the world was formed 5761 years ago, then why is it unreasonable for the earliest known Hebrew writting to be 3000 years old?

As for the discovery, it must have been more than a few words. Ancient Hebrew writting was quite similar to Phonecian. Both languages were quite similar in terms of grammar and lexicon.

The other explanation is that it includes the name of God.
17 posted on 11/09/2005 6:59:20 PM PST by rmlew (Sedition and Treason are both crimes, not free speech.)
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To: Boundless
Does this put Judaism in a bit of a quandary?

The Jewish calendar presently starts at what Roman calendars (presently Gregorian) call 3761 BC.

For Jews to celebrate this discovery as their roots, it would seem that they need to officially acknowledge that their former official year zero isn't.

Why should a people with the longest historical memory in human history (going back to 'Adam HaRi'shon hiself) be upset by what some atheist scientists are saying?

19 posted on 11/09/2005 7:17:15 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Vehe'emin BeHaShem, vayachsheveha lo tzedaqah.)
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To: Boundless

Not at all. 10th century BCE, as others have pointed out, is the time of David. This is perfectly inline with Jewish history. King David conquered Jerusalem from the Jebusites and made it his capital.


24 posted on 11/09/2005 9:26:18 PM PST by anotherview ("Ignorance is the choice not to know" -Klaus Schulze)
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To: Boundless
For Jews to celebrate this discovery as their roots, it would seem that they need to officially acknowledge that their former official year zero isn't.

Who is "celebrating" this discovery as the roots of Judaism? I didn't get that from the article - I got that this is merely the discovery of some of the earliest Hebrew writing that has been found to date. That doesn't state or imply that Judaism started then, and even if it did, anyone even remotely familiar with the Bible knows that the Jewish calendar starts with the creation of the world, not with Abraham's birth or with G-d's giving the Torah to Moses.

FYI, Abraham wasn't present at the Creation, and there was a lot of history between then and Abraham's birth (almost exactly 2,000 years), plus many hundreds of years between his birth and the Exodus (roughly 500), and another few hundred years (300 or so) between the Exodus and David's conquest of Jerusalem circa 1000 BCE.

28 posted on 11/10/2005 8:36:53 AM PST by Ancesthntr
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To: Boundless
For me the main point is that Judaism was in Israel waaay before Islam.

Since Islam was invented by Mohammad around the 7th century that is a given but folks need to be reminded of who was where first.

29 posted on 11/10/2005 9:18:49 AM PST by Vinnie
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