Posted on 11/09/2005 5:07:14 PM PST by concretebob
A bipartisan group of senators has attacked the president's intention to veto any legislation that includes Sen. John McCain's so-called anti-torture amendment. They claim that failure to make clear U.S. interrogation policy tarnishes not only our international standing, but also subverts the very idea of America.
(Excerpt) Read more at washtimes.com ...
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All the amendment does is reiterate the Army Field Manual's rule on treatment of detainees/prisoners. It sets standards; it doesn't "coddle" the terrorists anymore than it does any other POWs/detainees that we've captured in the past.
It also specifically references the 5th 8th and 14th Amendments to the Constitution.
We're gonna have to slap the dirty little Jap
And Uncle Sam's the guy who can do it
We'll skin the streak of yellow from this sneaky little fellow
And he'll think a cyclone hit him when he's thru it
We'll take the double crosser to the old woodshed
We'll start on his bottom and go to his head
When we get thru with him he'll wish that he was dead
We gotta slap the dirty little Jap
We're gonna have to slap the dirty little Jap
And Uncle Sam's the guy who can do it
The Japs and all their hooey will be changed into chop suey
And the rising sun will set when we get thru it
Their alibi for fighting is to save their face
For ancestors waiting in celestial space
We'll kick their precious face down to the other place
We gotta slap the dirty little Jap
We're gonna have to slap the dirty little Jap
And Uncle Sam's the guy who can do it
We'll murder Hirohito, massacre that slob Benito
Hang'em with that Shickle gruber when we're thru it
We'll search the highest mountain for the tallest tree
To build us a hanging post for the evil three
We'll call in all our neighbors, let'em know their free
We gotta slap the dirty little Jap
Times have changed, eh?
OK, never mind. After reading the editorial, I disavow any and all knowledge of the previous comment made under my screen name. :-)
(a) In General.--No individual in the custody or under the physical control of the United States Government, regardless of nationality or physical location, shall be subject to cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment.
] (b) Construction.--Nothing in this section shall be construed to impose any geographical limitation on the applicability of the prohibition against cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment under this section.
(c) Limitation on Supersedure.--The provisions of this section shall not be superseded, except by a provision of law enacted after the date of the enactment of this Act which specifically repeals, modifies, or supersedes the provisions of this section.
(d) Cruel, Inhuman, or Degrading Treatment or Punishment Defined.--In this section, the term "cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment'' means the cruel, unusual, and inhumane treatment or punishment prohibited by the Fifth, Eighth, and Fourteenth Amendments to the Constitution of the United States, as defined in the United States Reservations, Declarations and Understandings to the United Nations Convention Against Torture and Other Forms of Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment done at New York, December 10, 1984.
They can save their ire. Bush hasn't vetoed anything since he got into office.
hehehe...Disavowance is accepted and duly noted..
So is McCain's office the suspected source of the secret
CIA prison system leak?
I can understand McCain's personal bias on the subject, but:
1. He needs to worry about our enemies, not us, and
2. There is no excuse for leaking, if it was one of his
staffers that did it.
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I have not heard one way or another.
Would not surprise me.
The problem is the word "degrading" and even "torture" does not mean the same things to all people. Consider Dick the Turban's use of the words in reference to Gitmo. Sorry....but there is NO torture going on in Gitmo...nothing close to it, yet he was out there comparing our soldiers to Nazis and Stalin's goons.
The other problem is this: It's not that we want to use torture...there are safeguards right NOW to avoid that. BUT, why should we tell our ENEMIES that we WON'T use it???? The fear of the unknown is what will make these people talk. IF they KNOW that nothing will physically happen to them, they won't talk!!!
""no individual in the custody or under the physical control of the [U.S.] Government, regardless of nationality or physical location, shall be subject to cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment.""
This would be a great victory for the libs and Mcain. From what I understand, the word 'Degrading' is subject to 'cultural sensitivities', and thus no interrogation techniques could be used on the Islamic terrorists.
The best thing that could happen to McNut is for the President to veto the bill. It would send a message to McNut that he is close to being labeled a liberal and should be kick out of the Party, if that could be done. He is a traitor to the Party. Nothing more than a glory seeking nitwit. If this nut thinks this will get him nominated at the Republican Convention for President, he is sadly mistaken.
The real problem with this amendment is that it appears to confirm that the U.S. armed forces tortue prisoners, in violation of miltary law and regulations. (If it were not so, why the need for the amendment?) That tarnishes our image and gives our enemies credibility they do not deserve.
John McCain has betrayed his country and the men and women who serve in uniform. He should be ashamed of himself.
Part of a song sung in WWII.
Hitler says we are the master race
and we'll spit, we'll spit
right in the furhers face.
We don't touture and we need no special law to tell us not to.
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