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To: gaijin

"unmanned borders" is not the cause. The issue here is Al Queda, not a border. Although some people will make it their soap box or agenda allowing them to trash Bush, blah blah blah.

Myrick let slip possible classified info. If you think that the border is the cause, you're wrong. They have been breaking up terror cells in the USA ever since Bush began our war on terrorism. It is exactly how he said it would be in the address to congress he gave the week after the 9-11 attacks; that there would be victories that are in the news and many that are not. He spelled it all out. Not too many listened.

Many of these people are already living in our towns and making a living while planning a killing. They don't ALL come across unmanned borders. In fact I doubt many of them do. Too risky getting caught and shipped out. Much safer to come in on a student or work visa from the middle east and get lost in the system and overstay your welcome. Heck it's about all the Homeland dept does anymore is round up people who aren't supposed to be here (expired student visas, etc) and sending them out.


22 posted on 11/09/2005 5:00:20 PM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
Many of these people are already living in our towns and making a living while planning a killing. They don't ALL come across unmanned borders.

So let's, by all means, continue keeping the BACK DOOR WIDE OPEN TO 'EM.

25 posted on 11/09/2005 5:01:44 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: RedBloodedAmerican

I don't think you have to choose between one source of danger or the other. Sure, some terrorists are already in place, living and working in various parts of our country. Others have come in from Canada, with Seattle and Detroit as probably the major entry points. Others are coming in from Mexico.

This is partly a Border Patrol problem, partly a Homeland Security problem, but we shouldn't let our guard down with either. Yet we surely are.

We also need to watch out for prison conversions and for radical mosques and madrassahs that seek to make youthful converts to jihad.


50 posted on 11/09/2005 5:12:51 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: RedBloodedAmerican

Is it your opinion that because there are terror cells already in the U.S., and other ways for terrorists to get into this country, we need not worry about the border? Sort of a "who cares if a few get across the border when we already have some here anyhow" kind of mindset?

I respect your opinion, but I strongly disagree with your perspective on the matter.


53 posted on 11/09/2005 5:14:52 PM PST by Chena (I'm not young enough to know everything.)
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
Too risky getting caught and shipped out. Much safer to come in on a student or work visa from the middle east and get lost in the system and overstay your welcome. Heck it's about all the Homeland dept does anymore is round up people who aren't supposed to be here (expired student visas, etc) and sending them out.

In case you didn’t forget the sarcasm tag, let me point out a couple things. A small percent are “caught” at the border. Shipped out? They don’t ship out OTM’s..(other than Mexicans) They release them! Hundreds of thousands of them.

Visas? LOL! We have 3.6 million visa overstays that the government will acknowledge. They have no idea where they are. This administration had 51 agents assigned to find those MILLIONS. It’s not happening.

This isn’t the first instance of terrorists found operating near the border. Rumsfeld has warned about it, as have many others. It’s all on Free Republic. Amazing what one can learn. If you can't find the links, let me know.

87 posted on 11/09/2005 5:29:12 PM PST by WatchingInAmazement (You can’t tell someone much about a boxing glove until it hits them in the face.)
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To: RedBloodedAmerican

"Although some people will make it their soap box or agenda allowing them to trash Bush, blah blah blah. "

Hey clown, who's in charge?


156 posted on 11/09/2005 6:13:08 PM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: RedBloodedAmerican

Gotta credit my wife here, with the anology of the whole "all 19 were here legally" song and dance:

"Just because you're son already stole our tv, doesn't mean we shouldn't lock the door at night."

Pretty good one.


195 posted on 11/09/2005 6:37:46 PM PST by mills044
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
The issue here is Al Queda, not a border.

There are two issues, Al Queda and illegals and they are mildly connected.

In the absence of Al Queda, there are probably a majority of Americans who want the illegals stopped and want a closed border and see possible Al Queda inflitration as a good excuse to get it.

There is a small number of Americans who see a guest worker program as a solution to stopping Al Queda. That if the illegals come to you for a background check, they become legal guest workers and that frees border patrol to look for terrorists, drug dealers, and other criminals who won't come to you.

There is a third group who like the status quo because they like not having to mow the lawn, like having nannies and like the quality and price the illegals charge.

This third group is promoting an unacceptable agenda where the criminals and terrorists hide amonst the flood of illegal gardners and janitors.

I fall into group number 2 and I think group number 3 is irresponsible.

340 posted on 11/10/2005 7:57:33 AM PST by staytrue
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
The issue here is Al Queda, not a border.

Isn't it true that thousands of iraqis were "relocated" to US soil following GW I by the first bush administration?

I believe that I read this somewhere.....

You seem quite knowledgeable, any truth to this?

379 posted on 11/10/2005 3:55:13 PM PST by WhiteGuy (Vote for gridlock)
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