CA: Schwarzenegger star dims after latest act falls flat with voters

ap on Bakersfield Californian ^ | 11/09/05 | Beth Fouhy - ap

[Amerigomag]

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Can't help. The thread appears to have degenerate into a food fight with out-of-state, Republican loyalists.

One of the protagonists thought Prop 76 would have effectively downsized the government and curbed the outrageous spending going on in Sacramento.

There is no reward in an argument with an uninformed, partisan activist.

[FOG724]

All we know now is he is no Sea Biscuit

No, just a horse biscuit.

[Amerigomag]

Maybe he wasn't necessarily a Trojan Horse, more like a Crazy Horse

I vote for Stalking Horse, as in Pete Wilson's stalking horse.

If Wilson wanted to "get even" with the CAGOP, boy did he ever.

[NordP]

Oh...silly me.

[diamond6]

Great post, couldn't agree with you more.

[NormsRevenge]

LOL.. I was mulling horses to use, I missed that one, Thanks!

[newzjunkey]

The propositions MOST REJECTED were the socialist drug plan (79) and regulating of the power industry again (80).

[GraniteStateConservative]

38 years ago, Ronald Reagan lost in California the same exact way with financial responsibility propositions and of course he went on to have no influence ever again. At least if you don't count the Reagan revolution, the collapse of the Soviet Union and his little job as President of the United States.

California 38 years ago voted similarly to Idaho. Not now.

[NordP]

Thanks for your supportive posts! I'm still fuming about it; but hopefully, they will take this as a wake up call in more ways than just mine last night!

[A CA Guy]

Reagan was a Republican among Democrats, even then.

[newzjunkey]

I see... in Czar's world it's all ARNOLD's fault. Or is that because you consider him Rhinold?

If the base stayed home and didn't want to support spending control, or a simple parental notification before 13 year old girls abort their grandchild then SHAME ON THEM.

[Mr. Jeeves]

I believe that was the 1973 special election on a spending cap and property tax limitation measure.

And three years later, Prop 13 passed in a landslide. Sometimes things have to get much worse before they can get better - life in California is too easy for a lot of people and they don't feel the need for change yet. Arnold's initiatives were probably just a few years too early.

[FOG724]

Arnold's initiatives were a day late and a budget deficit short to a pissed off base.

[Two-Bits]

You go girl. During the last election, ARINO would not campaign for President Bush here in California but was willing to do so out of state. ARINO was no where to be found during the last senate race and so we are stuck once again with box of rocks. Oh yes, I almost forgot, he did campaign last election for stem cell research which will cost the California taxpayers billions. In California, there is only one party, the democrat party and the democrat party disguised as the republican party. I voted yesterday but it was not because of anything ARINO said.

[heleny]

CA: Schwarzenegger star dims after latest act falls flat with voters

I really doubt anyone changed his mind about Gov. Schwarzenegger between Monday and today based on the results of the election.

Some of the propositions lost by smaller margins, 5.2% apart for 73 and 7% apart for 75, which clearly are not simply party-line votes.

[NormsRevenge]

I guess one thing that many missed and this goes back to the Recall is that when one side has butchered the Golden Goose and an inexperienced chef is asked to salvage the carcass and to prepare and serve it, he may overseason and overcook and spoil it for all.

Recalls like this only come along like once in a great while, if ever, and to see so many folks jump on a novice as their best hope says a lot about how little most folks really thought about or recognized what was happening, how truly historic it was and how to best take advantage of it.

The outright lies that a conservative could never win did more damage than most realize and those who uttered them should be chided for still acting like they support conservatism as a key principle, much less a key pillar of sound government.

We will likely be forever in debt due to them and the bond lenders of Wall St. for years and years and future generations will now carry the burden of repaying those same debts well into this century.


And for what? The mantra of Just Win, Baby! still rings on, so powerful was the desire to abandon principle for a B movie star performance and seek to take what appeared a sure thing and a path of least resistance. It speaks to how hard some folks just will not fight for what is good and right on the conservative side of the aisles and why moderates serve no one well in today's government, here or at the federal level.

How lazy or gullible can voters be?

Yesterday and the Recall confirmed it for all to see, imo.

(adjusts my flame retardant (M)ilk undies)

/rant off

[agooga]

You're strategy assumes that the unions will go bankrupt ala the USSR during the cold war. Meanwhile the state continues it's downward spiral and there is no guarantee that the unions will run out of money.

And if they run out of money, there is still no guarantee that they'll lose elections in CA.

[calcowgirl]

I'm disgusted with the whole mess. People are more interested in playing Party games than truly getting at the heart of California's problems and solving them. Some continue to try to paint conservatives who opposed Prop 76 as no wanting "to support spending control," despite the fact the campaign itself demonstrated that it supported more spending, not less. I voted for several of the measures because there was an election, but none of them warranted a special election on their own nor would they have made a substantial difference. If the money that the CA GOP and others(R) poured into this election had instead gone to supporting viable conservative candidates, we could make some headway. Instead, we endured this Hollywood-style big-money side show that accomplished nothing and has only tarnished the party for years to come.

A few solid reform measures, carefully drafted, could have made a difference. A real spending cap was offered to Arnold but he rejected it. Prop 73 should have been strongly supported, on its own, by the CA GOP. Instead, I got phone calls from Duf Sundheim trying to get me to vote for socialized medicine (Prop 78) while being told by Party operatives on FR that Prop 79 was in the bag so we just had to vote for Prop 78 as the lesser of two evils. Principles be damned seems to be the message they are sending.

If this election showed one thing, it is that the CA GOP leadership is totally misguided and inept and should be fired!

[Amerigomag]

the CA GOP leadership is totally misguided and inept and should be fired!

First you have to identify whose leading the party. That is a real problem under the current circumstances.

Is the Wilson gang leading the party by virtue of hijacking the election and forcing the capitulation of the CAGOP?

Is the CAGOP leading the party by virtue of their Central Committees and organizational activists in the field?

Are Schwarzenegger's band of financial supporters leading both because of their influence over an unpredictable political novice?

Fire when you must but first take aim at the correct target.

[NormsRevenge]

All I see are Hummers and black limos and they are all moving.

Help us out here. ;-)