[sageb1]

"There are identity Christianity groups (paleo-Nazis) like the following. I wouldn't call them politically "right" (although they describe themselves that way), though, given their half-hidden and socialist economic doctrine of distributivism, the social conditions in their communities, and so forth."

Thanks. I'll check the link, but I wouldn't call them politically right either. Nutcases are more like it. If this is what Zionist Conspirator was referring to, he/she should have said so. I took great offense at those comments and most Roman Catholics would also. Such narrow-minded comments are part of the problem - not the solution.

[familyop]

BTW, that is the site of the Society of Saint Pius X (SSPX).

[familyop]

"NOVEMBER 1, 1995
By its 25th Anniversary, the Society of Saint Pius X numbers four Bishops, over 360 priests, 50 brothers, 120 sisters and 53 oblate sisters, all living in 140 houses in 27 countries."

It doesn't say as to how many layman followers it has. It's not small, though. There are quite a few similar groups and individuals doing the same.

[Nam Vet]

I agree.

Nam Vet

[Zionist Conspirator]

Thanks. I'll check the link, but I wouldn't call them politically right either. Nutcases are more like it. If this is what Zionist Conspirator was referring to, he/she should have said so. I took great offense at those comments and most Roman Catholics would also. Such narrow-minded comments are part of the problem - not the solution.

Sageb1, I am sorry that what I said offended you. I hope you realize that I was not referring to "conservative Catholics" in general but to a certain type of ultra-ultra-right Catholic such as the Feeneyites at the St. Benedict Center (one of the articles at their website is entitled "The Chosen People is now the Accursed Race"), the sedevacantists, the Sobrans and Buchanans, the distributivists (though distributivism is really based on the allotment of the Land to the Tribes), the Sungenises and Metatics, and such like (much as I appreciate their defense of the historicity of the Hebrew Bible). Evidently you are not familiar with "the traditionalist movement." I hope you realize that I am by and large an admirer of the new Pope and wish him well, and even defended him against Israeli criticism a few months back. However, no matter how pro-Israel American Catholic conservatives or some in the hierarchy might be, Catholic theology simply disallows the same level of support for Jewish peoplehood that Fundamentalist Protestants have.

Also please note that I mentioned also the ancient ethnic eastern and oriental churches which usually fly under the radar screen. Even when not actively anti-Semitic (as they seldom are, at least in the West), they share the same classical ecclesiology of the Catholic Church, holding the Church to be the "new Israel" and continuing Jewish peoplehood and loyalty to the Torah to be a dangerous delusion.

I was Catholic for six years, and I am very conflated about these issues. "Philo-Semitic" Catholics tend to be very liberal, while the more conservative Catholics (whom I support in many areas) are less sympathetic to Jews and Israel. I take no pleasure in the way things are. I simply report them.

You have a good heart, and I thank you for that. I am also glad that you are a conservative Catholic who supports Israel and not someone like Rosemary Radford Reuther (or whatever her name is).

I hope this will mitigate at least somewhat the pain my words caused you.