Posted on 11/09/2005 7:02:46 AM PST by NativeNewYorker
Berlin (dpa) - A far-right party in Germany said Wednesday that foreigners living in the country should be put into ``collection camps'' and then expelled if French-style violence breaks out.
The National Democratic Party of Germany (NPD), which last year won 9.2 per cent of the vote in Saxony state and has 12 seats in the regional parliament, called for laws aimed at reducing the population of resident foreigners.
Germany has about 7.3 million foreigners who comprise some 9 per cent of the total population.
``If riots are organised like in France then collection camps and vigilantes must be organised in time to protect life and property,'' said the NPD.
Incuding native-born American Muslims?
Yes, even native-born American Muslims. Deport them to Jihad Central - Saudi Arabia...for our own survival.
You, sir, have derailed.
Not at all. Islam is at war with us. Do you not know that? Answer the freakin question! You won't because you know the answer. Again, you have lost the argument by not acknowledging that Islam is at war with us, the West, and the Dar Al-Harb and you'll keep screaming individual rights like the Lefties do to an extreme. Individualism at all costs even if it costs you your nation.
In the last 5 years or so, we have killed several tens of thousands of Muslims around the world.
Have you seen the infidel body count that the Muslims worldwide have created in the past 10 years? Millions! The Muslims murder, the non-Muslims kill the Muslims in self-defense. It's becoming more and more obvious you are a Lefty. I'm smoking you out and I love it.
Your sophist arguments are exactly like all the Leftists I have ever heard.
How is our government supporting Islam?
During the Clinton administration the Alabanian and Kosovar Muslims started attacking the Christians in Serbia and Bosnia. The Serbians knew this was a war and not just the attack by a few Muslims as an isolated criminal isolated action. The Serbs went to war with them and the UN went nuts. The UN is composed mostly of third world Marxist dictatorships and Muslim countries. Our country supported an airwar against them and bombed the living daylights until they relented. Now the Muslims are attacking the Christians since the UN Peacekeepers are supposedly keeping both sides at arms length.
Now Bush is in office and considers Islam a religion of peace in the midst of Islam's war against the West. The Leftist French government doesn't take effective steps against the Muslims that have started their jihad against the French.
The feeling that the world is out to get you is a classic sign of clinical paranoia.
I love your next sophist argument by painting me as a paranoid. Classic Leftist tactic - attack the character and credibility of the messenger not the argument. You are definitely a Lefty. Gotcha!
No, my statements are based upon the evidence which you do not want to argue. You're a Lefty so just admit it. You can't hold an argument if your life depended on it.
FC
I've never seem them do nothing but that. But again you attack me as a paranoid and a conspiracist. Not at all. I just read the facts. Just the facts, ma'am, just the facts.
You're attack on me instead of the evidence I present in my arguments to you reveal yourself to be a Lefty. Just admit it to me and the others.
It would be nice to deport the other 48% so I don't have to listen to all of their Socialist drivel and attacks.
FC
If you say so. Your opinion and $1.75 will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks.
I can directly trace my European, Christian roots to the battle of Kosovo Polje, where one of my ancestors died fighting the Ottomans.
The Founding Fathers when they spoke of the citizens of the country back then they meant those of European descent, since the country was 99% of European discent and 99.5% Christian.
Um, you seem to have forgotten the black slaves living in the country at the time.
If the Founding Fathers wanted to limit the protections of the Constitution to white, Christian Europeans, they had every opportunity to do so when they drafted that document. They didn't do so- the Constitution protects the rights of all Americans, regardless of race, religion or ethnic origin.
You might not like it, but your dislike of that fact isn't worth a glass of warm spit.
Likewise when Jesus said to love thy neighbor, he meant the israelites.
Under your interpretation of the Bible, I'm not supposed to love the Hindus living across the street from me?
I do understand that. Now, I will assume you are asking me that question seriously and not as a rhetotical device. First, drastically limit immigration from Middle Eastern countries and Muslims to numbers that can easily be assimilated. Screen those we do let in: make sure they are relatively educated, liberal (and I mean that in the literal sense, not political sense) and have a plan for the future. Check up on them regularly for the first while, making sure that their kids are enlisted in proper schools, and assimilating, that they aren't joining gangs, that their parents have jobs, and that everything is going smoothly.
Then, create honeytraps for the radicals. If you want an example, look at Combat 18 in the U.K., which was created as a honeytrap for neo-nazis. Quite effective in breaking their power, which was considerable (and unreported) for a long time. A honeytrap brings the terrorists, or likely terrorist material, into once convenient location where they can be easily monitored. Then, agents provocateur can trap the worst offenders, who will then be prosecuted, convicted and then dealt with in the following fashion.
Once the radicals have been identified and leads followed up on, imprison them, interrogate them for accomplices, methods, strategies, etc. Note who their imams were, what country they were from, what neighborhood they were from, etc. Put them in a re-education system. Watch their families and associates for other ties. Ultimately, deport them and deny them reentry into America for any reason.
Do not allow cultural ghettoes to form. Make sure the new immigrants are spread about. Use urban planning to break cultural ghettoes up (Michigan, I am looking your way). Do not allow mosques to preach hatred. Create channels so that moderate Muslims can anonymously give tips to authorities (this has been done already to a small extent and actually has been quite productive). Make sure there are visible positive role models for Muslims who are fervently patriotic Americans and Muslim, and there are: the problem is making them visible and accessible to the relevant communities. Try to encourage benign Islam to be preached. Disable organizations like CAIR which try to aggravate problems, either through litigation or public humiliation. Shut down political correctness so that once a problem has been identified, it can be quickly dealt with. Encourage moderates to speak out. And I do mean really encourage. Not like what the French are doing.
Do not appease. Do not surrender. Do not ignore. And do not overreact. Calm, prudence, forethought and measure in all things.
Sound reasonable to you?
Well put. But, that doesn't mean we have to react by punishing the entire Muslim community. We need to hit the radicals and criminals hard, and to punish them. And we also need to go after those who pimp the problems to exacerbate things. The brains of the operations: imams, ideological figureheads. We need to destroy the image of many terrorists as martyrs and heroes.
But that does not mean we target the entire community. Turning a blind eye or passively supporting terror are both terrible moral crimes. But you can not deal with them in the same way you deal with an active terrorist. And the majority of the Muslim community are just normal people. That is not to say the offenders are not a large minority, but they are a minority. That is important to remember.
I think that's well put.
You can rant and rave about it all you like, but it will happen in this war, and in the next, and the next. No society engages in war without some violations of its "civil rights." None . . . at least, none that survived.
The NDP is far-right. No question about it. They are, in fact, so far right that they are leftists in many respect. Also, that's a terrible way to go about dealing with this issue. Round up and deport, for better or worse (and it's definitely for better) is just not a viable solution. It's morally reprehensible, it's poorly considered (think of the logistics), and it just gives the Islamists more fodder.
That is a different case. In which case I agree with you.
Again, you are talking about individual criminal acts that require talk with counsel, not acts of war. If you keep viewing the individual terrorist, rioting acts of Muslims as such you lose sight of the forest for all the trees.
These acts should be treated as acts of war by Islam and those committing them should be treated as war criminals.
Again, like with Palisades, the attack on my character with the Thorazine comment is a classic Lefty dodge of the argument at hand.
U.S. soldiers died fighting a war that Germans had declared. Islam declare war on America many years ago. Why shouldn't we treat them the same? Don't you care about equality?
What about all the wars that Muslims are engaged around the world in to make Islam the only religion in that country? Why don't you acknowldge that? Because you will have lost the argument.
When Germany and France re-start the roundups, the will indeed be very indiscriminate. And the Jews will be first because if there are no Jews, the Muzzies will settle down.
When the Germans and French start rounding up the Muslims it will be Muslims they will round up not Jews. How you came up with that logic I have no idea. Supposedly the Muzzies will settle down once the Jews are out of Israel. Yeah, right.
I agree.
On second thought, ID each, warn them all not to leave and then systematically work your way through them. We cannot depart from Consitituional rights for any but the most extreme cases.
I'm curious, in what alternate universe do you see the American courts allowing the rest of the government to deport American citizens based on their religion?
Seriously, are you in touch with reality, at all?
Islam is at war with us. Do you not know that? Answer the freakin question!
Islam is not at war with us, but certain Muslim groups certainly are.
Turkey is Muslim, are they at war with us?
Again, you have lost the argument by not acknowledging that Islam is at war with us
Other than your opinion, what evidence is there that Islam is at war with us?
and you'll keep screaming individual rights like the Lefties do to an extreme.
I'll keep screaming individual rights so long as we have a Constitution. How about you?
Have you seen the infidel body count that the Muslims worldwide have created in the past 10 years? Millions!
I doubt this number is accurate, but I'm not sure what it has to do with our discussion here.
It's becoming more and more obvious you are a Lefty.
Because I am in favor of Constitutional rights and treating people on an individual basis, rather than as members of a group. Those are Conservative positions, in my world.
Now Bush is in office and considers Islam a religion of peace in the midst of Islam's war against the West.
Would it make you feel better if the President went to war with every Muslim country in the world?
I'm glad you have no say in the President's foreing policy, that's for sure.
Classic Leftist tactic - attack the character and credibility of the messenger not the argument.
You might want to scroll back and see who used the word "idiots" on this thread. It certainly wasn't me.
You're a Lefty so just admit it.
Who is the one claiming that the President supports Islam? Certainly not me.
Great. Now you want to deport 48%+ of Americans to Saudi Arabia.
Lord help us.
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